Wheeler dealer programs,and the like.
Discussion
I guess as it is only done for general punters as a TV show one shouldn't really expect better, but does anyone get a bit annoyed at the way the presenters of these show deal with the cars, they are `supposedly' saving from the scrap heap?
When they did the E-Type they did a bit of tarting up externally, and some necessary repairs to the diff, but when putting the seats back in you could see that the floor pan was in a state of flaking rust through the seat mounting holes in the carpet.
The same applied to many other cars where they `could' have done a proper job on them, but did not.
Nothing like the American versions such as overhaulin or American Hot Rod where the quality of the workmanship is always outstanding.
The worst program of this type is the one with the continuously whining bald bloke in it, where the cars seem to be turned out as polyfiller deathtraps which would fall apart in an accident.
I like the contrast in this with the program called Le salvager with the / biker bloke with his handlebar mustache, who takes sh*t and turns it into something good. to these charlatans who get something that `could' be good, but turn it into tarted up sh*t
When they did the E-Type they did a bit of tarting up externally, and some necessary repairs to the diff, but when putting the seats back in you could see that the floor pan was in a state of flaking rust through the seat mounting holes in the carpet.
The same applied to many other cars where they `could' have done a proper job on them, but did not.
Nothing like the American versions such as overhaulin or American Hot Rod where the quality of the workmanship is always outstanding.
The worst program of this type is the one with the continuously whining bald bloke in it, where the cars seem to be turned out as polyfiller deathtraps which would fall apart in an accident.
I like the contrast in this with the program called Le salvager with the / biker bloke with his handlebar mustache, who takes sh*t and turns it into something good. to these charlatans who get something that `could' be good, but turn it into tarted up sh*t
KNow what you mean.
There was a Car SOS with a moggie traveller thingie in it. The car had previously had metalwork and had been left dismantled.
The presenters managed to get hold of a complete wood set of new frames and panelling etc, beautifully crafted. When offered up to the chassis the metal inner wheel arches were wonky, so rather than cut & reweld they bodged the hell of the wood to make it fit a wonky chassis.
Schedule is always blamed in these programmes. That whining bald London git just grates on me.
"For The Love Of Cars" is quite good though - they are very thorough.
There was a Car SOS with a moggie traveller thingie in it. The car had previously had metalwork and had been left dismantled.
The presenters managed to get hold of a complete wood set of new frames and panelling etc, beautifully crafted. When offered up to the chassis the metal inner wheel arches were wonky, so rather than cut & reweld they bodged the hell of the wood to make it fit a wonky chassis.
Schedule is always blamed in these programmes. That whining bald London git just grates on me.
"For The Love Of Cars" is quite good though - they are very thorough.
VladD said:
B'stard Child said:
I do however remember lots of threads about that nice man Mike Brewer 
A guy at work bumped into Mike last weekend. They had a nice chat about cars and he seemed very approachable.Pan Pan said:
VladD said:
B'stard Child said:
I do however remember lots of threads about that nice man Mike Brewer
A guy at work bumped into Mike last weekend. They had a nice chat about cars and he seemed very approachable.
VladD said:
B'stard Child said:
I do however remember lots of threads about that nice man Mike Brewer
A guy at work bumped into Mike last weekend. They had a nice chat about cars and he seemed very approachable.B.J.W said:
VladD said:
B'stard Child said:
I do however remember lots of threads about that nice man Mike Brewer
A guy at work bumped into Mike last weekend. They had a nice chat about cars and he seemed very approachable.10-15 years ago that lovely Vet Mark Evans made a series of programmes "a car is born" and a dozen or so variations of it based on restoring old cars (including an E-Type) or building a kit car, even Planes and Helicopters - a single restoration/build could be as many as 12 episodes and he did a proper bare metal, nuts and bolts restoration with his mate, Pete Mate - if you were a Spanner Pervert it was pure pornography - unfortunately 99% of the population aren't and it didn't exactly trouble X Factor in the ratings charts.
Wheeler Dealers and the like are more 'real world' restorations, doing a huge, ground up restoration is a massively intensive and not to mention expensive undertaking done for the love or it - I think most people accept that a decades old car won't be 100% factory fresh and indeed it was, it would be far too nice to use much - wheeler dealers et al do really good driver quality restorations.
Wheeler Dealers and the like are more 'real world' restorations, doing a huge, ground up restoration is a massively intensive and not to mention expensive undertaking done for the love or it - I think most people accept that a decades old car won't be 100% factory fresh and indeed it was, it would be far too nice to use much - wheeler dealers et al do really good driver quality restorations.
What annoys me about Wheeler Dealers is the way that Mike Brewer tells potential buyers that it's been 'fully restored' or has a 'new ...' when in fact it's had one component replaced and the rest wiped over with a dirty rag.
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
530dTPhil said:
What annoys me about Wheeler Dealers is the way that Mike Brewer tells potential buyers that it's been 'fully restored' or has a 'new ...' when in fact it's had one component replaced and the rest wiped over with a dirty rag.
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
I just hope the programs I referred to are NOT shown in the US! It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
The difference in the quality of workmanship, between the Wheeler dealer variety, and the US `Overhaulin' or American Hot Rod, can only be described as embarrassing, and to think The UK was once regarded as one of the homes of high quality low volume automotive workmanship.
If they cant do these jobs properly on a program paid for by TV, just leave the things alone.
Either do the job right, or don't do it at all. These programs would seem to have us shown as a nation of low rent cheapkate bodgers!
Pan Pan said:
530dTPhil said:
What annoys me about Wheeler Dealers is the way that Mike Brewer tells potential buyers that it's been 'fully restored' or has a 'new ...' when in fact it's had one component replaced and the rest wiped over with a dirty rag.
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
I just hope the programs I referred to are NOT shown in the US! It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
The difference in the quality of workmanship, between the Wheeler dealer variety, and the US `Overhaulin' or American Hot Rod, can only be described as embarrassing, and to think The UK was once regarded as one of the homes of high quality low volume automotive workmanship.
If they cant do these jobs properly on a program paid for by TV, just leave the things alone.
Either do the job right, or don't do it at all. These programs would seem to have us shown as a nation of low rent cheapkate bodgers!
However remember the general thrust of the programs is very different- Wheeler Dealers is all about taking run down cars, and spending the minimum to get them back into a good saleable condition- they don't seek perfection.
Overhaulin is nothing to do with cost- you spend as much as necessary to get the vewry very finest vehicle.
Strong work whoever mentioned edd chinas "revving the nuts from cold" thing- it irritates the HELL out of me. Seriously act like a mechanic not a car presenter
530dTPhil said:
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
I thought the same but surely that's down to the editing and the engine has already been warmed up?I'm loving Richard Rawlings and his Gas Monkey garage crew in Fast 'n' Loud on Discovery Turbo.
Rootin' tootin' shootin' good fun, hell yea, yee hawwwww
Love a good ole yank.
http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/fast-n-loud/meet-th...
Rootin' tootin' shootin' good fun, hell yea, yee hawwwww
Love a good ole yank.
http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/fast-n-loud/meet-th...
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