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blueg33

35,980 posts

225 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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wildcat45 said:
I reckon she'll go down thius opening up a lot more story lines including a Justice For Helen style campaign featuring domestic violence campaigns etc.

Then Helen gets freed on appeal but somehow Rob remains in the picture for a while at least.
If she goes down, I don't think I have the stamina for months/years of "poor Helen" fighting and weeping etc. In my opinion the best storylines are the ones that have a conclusion, rather than being open ended!

eldar

21,798 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Janluke said:
Guilty but free on appeal after Rob's mask slips in some way. I just think they'll keep the story going as long as possible and Helen in prison gives them a chance to explore more female issues
Yup. Guilty, unless deus ex machina kicks in very soon.

Then 8 months of Rob knobbing/torturing the new nanny, culminating in either a successful appeal. Or Ambridge turning wicker man and toasting him.

wildcat45

8,076 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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blueg33 said:
If she goes down, I don't think I have the stamina for months/years of "poor Helen" fighting and weeping etc. In my opinion the best storylines are the ones that have a conclusion, rather than being open ended!
Me too.


I like the Whicker Man storyline. Sinister Morris Dancer, witchcraft, green man stuff. Organised by an unaware Linda who thinks it's just some ancient cultural celebration....


blueg33

35,980 posts

225 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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wildcat45 said:
blueg33 said:
If she goes down, I don't think I have the stamina for months/years of "poor Helen" fighting and weeping etc. In my opinion the best storylines are the ones that have a conclusion, rather than being open ended!
I like the Whicker Man storyline. Sinister Morris Dancer, witchcraft, green man stuff. Organised by an unaware Linda who thinks it's just some ancient cultural celebration....
If only. I know the village that Ambridge is based on. They are weird there in Inkberrow but not that extreme. (PH note, there used to be a TVR Dealer/Garage in Inkberrow, shame they never had TVR's on the Archers)

e21Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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I can't help thinking that Henry will say something that drops Rob in it, such as it being him who gave Helen the knife?

I've only been listening for a few months and it was this storyline that got me hooked. I do think Helen would have got bail though, were this a real case.

WD39

20,083 posts

117 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Doctor Locke was convinced that he had met Rob previously. I'm sure this will pan out.

Jess will give evidence in court.

The new nanny will get the thick end of Rob's temper.


I think that there will be a 'Captain Queeg' meltdown from Rob in court.

e21Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Didn't the writers say this story line would be played out over a year or so?

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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e21Mark said:
I can't help thinking that Henry will say something that drops Rob in it, such as it being him who gave Helen the knife?

I've only been listening for a few months and it was this storyline that got me hooked. I do think Helen would have got bail though, were this a real case.
(Eek, outing myself as an Archers listener!) Rob has been working to manipulate Henry, so it would make sense for Henry to sink him. You can't train a child that age to say everything you want and nothing but.

surveyor

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17,844 posts

185 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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I've seen real barristers talking about this. They say it is very unusual for a child of Henry's age to be put on the witness stand (or whatever non stressful video link they would use).

Doofus

25,832 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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I don't think there's any way she can go down. When this storyline started, the BBC were inundated with leters and calls from women who had been victims of domestic abuse, whether physical or mental. If Helen goes down, it will send the wrong message to real women about the consequences of trying to extircate themselves from an abusive relationship.

My money is on Jess stepping up at the last minute. I haven't listened for a few days, but I also think that Helen's concern over Kaz's predicament will prompt her to finally start talking. She's seen how frightened Kaz is that her ex will get access to her kids now her mum has gone into hosptial.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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The storm drain truth has to come out as a result of this.

blueg33

35,980 posts

225 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Zod said:
The storm drain truth has to come out as a result of this.
I was thinking that The hero of Ambridge flood is actually the cause of the flood

Smiler.

11,752 posts

231 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Something will also emerge from the Justin Elliott/Charlie Thomas line. I reckon revelations about the Charlie - Adam - Ian triangle will appear to sink Helen's defence up to the wire, when suddenly.....

ou sont les biscuits

5,124 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Doofus said:
I don't think there's any way she can go down. When this storyline started, the BBC were inundated with leters and calls from women who had been victims of domestic abuse, whether physical or mental. If Helen goes down, it will send the wrong message to real women about the consequences of trying to extircate themselves from an abusive relationship.

My money is on Jess stepping up at the last minute. I haven't listened for a few days, but I also think that Helen's concern over Kaz's predicament will prompt her to finally start talking. She's seen how frightened Kaz is that her ex will get access to her kids now her mum has gone into hosptial.
Unfortunately it's all too late. The defence 'story' had to be disclosed to the prosecutors months ago.

You can't just Spring a whole load of stuff on the prosecution during the trial. It's inadmissible.

Doofus

25,832 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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ou sont les biscuits said:
Unfortunately it's all too late. The defence 'story' had to be disclosed to the prosecutors months ago.

You can't just Spring a whole load of stuff on the prosecution during the trial. It's inadmissible.
But late evidence can be admitted if the judge deigns, surely?

blueg33

35,980 posts

225 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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ou sont les biscuits said:
Doofus said:
I don't think there's any way she can go down. When this storyline started, the BBC were inundated with leters and calls from women who had been victims of domestic abuse, whether physical or mental. If Helen goes down, it will send the wrong message to real women about the consequences of trying to extircate themselves from an abusive relationship.

My money is on Jess stepping up at the last minute. I haven't listened for a few days, but I also think that Helen's concern over Kaz's predicament will prompt her to finally start talking. She's seen how frightened Kaz is that her ex will get access to her kids now her mum has gone into hosptial.
Unfortunately it's all too late. The defence 'story' had to be disclosed to the prosecutors months ago.

You can't just Spring a whole load of stuff on the prosecution during the trial. It's inadmissible.
Surely it comes up in cross examination.



ou sont les biscuits

5,124 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Doofus said:
ou sont les biscuits said:
Unfortunately it's all too late. The defence 'story' had to be disclosed to the prosecutors months ago.

You can't just Spring a whole load of stuff on the prosecution during the trial. It's inadmissible.
But late evidence can be admitted if the judge deigns, surely?
This isn't late evidence though. The fundamental reason why Helen Archer stabbed Rob arose on the night he was stabbed. And she has coninued to refuse to talk about the whys and wherefores ever since. She can't suddenly come clean in court. Unless of course it's Eastenders on the radio.

e21Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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This weeks Radio Times has the case played out by 2 real Barristers. One was on Radio 4 this morning and stated that he hoped it would be played out realistically and not over dramatised for ratings etc.

surveyor

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17,844 posts

185 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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I believe it's a one hour special on Sunday...

eldar

21,798 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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surveyor said:
I believe it's a one hour special on Sunday...
That is every Sunday, isn't it? Unless it is a 'special special'.

About time for another witch burning, as well.