Life in the fast lane

[Fun Bus]

It's only just occurred to me that the two serial complainers obviously had families who didn't want to be embarrassed on national television. Can't say I blame them.

I realise they could live alone though.

[jmorgan]

Re the complainers.
Not living next to a motorway I do not know what that noise must be like to put up with constantly. On the odd time I have to stay in a hotel I know I notice it. I used to live not far away from a railway main line and you got used to it and it became part of the background noise you ignored, but when the track was being maintained at night you heard it and at night it would wake me up as it was not the same noise. So I can sort of understand what they are saying.

And maybe some people do not get the same breaks in life and are able to pick and choose where they live. Last time I moved house it cost a serious amount of money apart from the mortgage.

[grumpy52]

Years ago I worked for a metal fabricators and we had a neighbour that constantly complained about us making noise .The owners of the fabrication company had sold the land for the houses to be built on , so the workshop had been there for 25 years before the houses were built .His complaints got to the stage that noise monitoring equipment was placed in his house .He was caught out when spotted with a mallet banging his wooden fence panels as he was sat in his garden , not repairing it , just banging it , at the same time a crew from the gas board were digging up the road in front of his house .
The local authority told him that they would not listen to any more noise complaints.
His next complaint was that as we fired up machinery it caused electrical fluctuations in his house , what the idiot didn't know was that we had our own electrical sub station totally individual for our premises.
Investigation revealed bodged work done by the complainant , he had to have most of his house rewired, then they discovered he had been at the gas system also .

[GTIR]

Crossflow Kid said:

GTIR said:

camelot1971 said:

GTIR said:

Drivers as in everyone or just truckers?

There are plenty of muppet car drivers but professional lorry drivers should know better.

Generally they are far better than all other drivers (apart from bikers) but the general public want cheap goods delivered yesterday

The general public don't want cheap goods delivered yesterday.
They've been convinced that's what they want.

It's true.

I don't care that Asda is 30p cheaper for a certain product than Tesco.
I shop where's closest.

Sadly most people don't.

[droopsnoot]

I assumed that the 'in car' cameras such as those that captured the woman getting a puncture were just stuck in a lot of cars over a period of time, and the most telegenic reactions culled from all the results, so something such as a live puncture and her (over) reaction would just stand out over the over hundred hours of nothing-ness. I thought the kid was much less panicked than her mother.

When the project manager visited the two complainers, I wasn't sure how he got the impression (as he said when he got back in his car) that it had gone 'reasonably well', though I think he was spot-on with his comment that once someone gets a night in a hotel, everybody wants one. Nice that he got away from them by saying "Sorry, I've got to go home to bed now, got an early meeting".

It mustn't be very nice living that close to such a busy motorway, though I have more sympathy for the old couple that moved in before it was built than for the other two, though I guess it was a lot less busy when they chose the house. Maybe they haven't got the money to do anything about it, after all, who's going to buy their house now it is that busy? Though now they've highlighted it on national TV it will drop even further, and I wonder if they'll be sticking a claim in for that as well? I did wonder whether someone (HA, or residents) could improve the noise shielding by planting some more stuff - there were trees on the embankment, but massive gaps as well where they could see through the steel railings.

[anonymous-user]

GTIR said:

Crossflow Kid said:

GTIR said:

camelot1971 said:

GTIR said:

Drivers as in everyone or just truckers?

There are plenty of muppet car drivers but professional lorry drivers should know better.

Generally they are far better than all other drivers (apart from bikers) but the general public want cheap goods delivered yesterday

The general public don't want cheap goods delivered yesterday.
They've been convinced that's what they want.

It's true.

I don't care that Asda is 30p cheaper for a certain product than Tesco.
I shop where's closest.

Sadly most people don't.

If you want a really good laugh get over to Commercial Berk and try offering that.
The Yorkie Bar Kids just won't accept the logistics industry has dug itself a massive hole it can't get out of by providing a service that everyone now regards as "essential" when on the whole it just isn't.
35 different types of bread in my local Sainsburys. I mean.....wow. Like I need that.
"Oh look....no white bread. Brown bread today then"
Verner von Braun needn't be consulted.

[KTF]

droopsnoot said:

after all, who's going to buy their house now it

There are plenty of properties for sale/sold running along the M6 on rightmove so they will always sell. Its all about the price.

[anonymous-user]

KTF said:

droopsnoot said:

after all, who's going to buy their house now it

There are plenty of properties for sale/sold running along the M6 on rightmove so they will always sell. Its all about the price.

...plus a stty terrace house under the M6 is still preferable to a hedge, just outside Calais.

[speedking31]

camelot1971 said:

Those lorries "avoiding" the motorway closure and risking their and other lives confirms what most people already think about the quality of drivers.

Why did the programme blur the names of the companies who's lorries were involved? Much better to reveal them, surely no comeback?

[heebeegeetee]

speedking31 said:

hy did the programme blur the names of the companies who's lorries were involved? Much better to reveal them, surely no comeback?

Because the names on the trailers may bear no or little relation to the owner of the tractor unit pulling the trailer.

[GTIR]

speedking31 said:

camelot1971 said:

Those lorries "avoiding" the motorway closure and risking their and other lives confirms what most people already think about the quality of drivers.

Why did the programme blur the names of the companies who's lorries were involved? Much better to reveal them, surely no comeback?

I think it's just simpler and a lot less hassle to do that than risk a large wealthy blue chip suing a small production company or risking the wrath of some bored journo who fancies running a non story about it.

They do the same when they're involved in accidents.

Although it's obvious who some are. DHL for one.

[KTF]

Crossflow Kid said:

...plus a stty terrace house under the M6 is still preferable to a hedge, just outside Calais.

Here you go, 90k for a 3 bed on the same road as the two NIMBYS:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

A few others around there for sale as well:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/map.h...

[speedking31]

heebeegeetee said:

speedking31 said:

hy did the programme blur the names of the companies who's lorries were involved? Much better to reveal them, surely no comeback?

Because the names on the trailers may bear no or little relation to the owner of the tractor unit pulling the trailer.

But its the headline name emblazoned on the trailer that will get the bad publicity if there is an incident. Do they have no responsibility about who they hire?

[heebeegeetee]

speedking31 said:

ut its the headline name emblazoned on the trailer that will get the bad publicity if there is an incident. Do they have no responsibility about who they hire?

The logistics industry is well intertwined, but anyway, have a think about the last 30 years or so and can anyone think of any road disaster that any household name is synonymous with? I don't think I can, so I'm not sure it's an issue.

[retrorider]

All that money spent on the sticking plaster that is smart motorway congestion lane running, when the toll road congestion is zero.Message to government.Get the toll road bought from the private company, and waive the fee if you have any interest in congestion and green policies.

[marshalla]

speedking31 said:

hy did the programme blur the names of the companies who's lorries were involved? Much better to reveal them, surely no comeback?

Either BBC rules on advertising, or no release form signed by a company rep.

[ooo000ooo]

jmorgan said:

Re the complainers.
Not living next to a motorway I do not know what that noise must be like to put up with constantly. On the odd time I have to stay in a hotel I know I notice it. I used to live not far away from a railway main line and you got used to it and it became part of the background noise you ignored, but when the track was being maintained at night you heard it and at night it would wake me up as it was not the same noise. So I can sort of understand what they are saying.

i live within 100 feet of a railway line, when we bought the house the ancient diesel trains were annoying for the first few months but we got used to it (kids could sleep through an earthquake now). We had them replacing a section of track for 48 hours one weekend and despite the biggest crane i've ever seen in my life being parked across the road, angle grinders and god knows what else going solidly all weekend we slept through it. The tamping machine on the other hand!! sounds like it's trying to jackhammer it's way to the centre of the earth. luckily it was ran over the new section about 3 times the following few weeks until everything settled and that should be it for the next 30 years.

[hidetheelephants]

ooo000ooo said:

i live within 100 feet of a railway line, when we bought the house the ancient diesel trains were annoying for the first few months but we got used to it (kids could sleep through an earthquake now). We had them replacing a section of track for 48 hours one weekend and despite the biggest crane i've ever seen in my life being parked across the road, angle grinders and god knows what else going solidly all weekend we slept through it. The tamping machine on the other hand!! sounds like it's trying to jackhammer it's way to the centre of the earth. luckily it was ran over the new section about 3 times the following few weeks until everything settled and that should be it for the next 30 years.

I had that in a student flat, which was about 100m from a commuter line in Glasgow; middle of the night on a weekend I was woken by the whole building vibrating, after deciding Glasgow wasn't developing a San Andreas fault my gaze was drawn out the window by blazing floodlights and a permanent way crew going at it with the tamping machine.

[jmorgan]

Crossflow Kid said:

If you want a really good laugh get over to Commercial Berk and try offering that.
The Yorkie Bar Kids just won't accept the logistics industry has dug itself a massive hole it can't get out of by providing a service that everyone now regards as "essential" when on the whole it just isn't.
35 different types of bread in my local Sainsburys. I mean.....wow. Like I need that.
"Oh look....no white bread. Brown bread today then"
Verner von Braun needn't be consulted.

But the problem is the system will say it's a free market. You cut back on the bread and sell white or brown, sliced, with a sell by of tomorrow and your competitor will start to sell bread that runs out in three days time. Then they will sell two types of white and three of brown and a free croissant. The shopper is the fickle agent provocateur here. Shoppers are blasted by adverts and the need to buy a product and in this day and age they want it yesterday. They are also stupid as a group.

So the lorries roll. Buy something on Amazon? It is on the back of a lorry. And they will not send that one single item on its own special lorry to the depot to be stored until you pick it. And they want you to pick it so better get a good few items in so they can offer a silly low price to tempt you. You have the choice to buy more expensive but then we are going to go for the lower priced item. In the main. Back to the shopper.

[heebeegeetee]

jmorgan said:

Crossflow Kid said:

If you want a really good laugh get over to Commercial Berk and try offering that.
The Yorkie Bar Kids just won't accept the logistics industry has dug itself a massive hole it can't get out of by providing a service that everyone now regards as "essential" when on the whole it just isn't.
35 different types of bread in my local Sainsburys. I mean.....wow. Like I need that.
"Oh look....no white bread. Brown bread today then"
Verner von Braun needn't be consulted.

But the problem is the system will say it's a free market. You cut back on the bread and sell white or brown, sliced, with a sell by of tomorrow and your competitor will start to sell bread that runs out in three days time. Then they will sell two types of white and three of brown and a free croissant. The shopper is the fickle agent provocateur here. Shoppers are blasted by adverts and the need to buy a product and in this day and age they want it yesterday. They are also stupid as a group.

So the lorries roll. Buy something on Amazon? It is on the back of a lorry. And they will not send that one single item on its own special lorry to the depot to be stored until you pick it. And they want you to pick it so better get a good few items in so they can offer a silly low price to tempt you. You have the choice to buy more expensive but then we are going to go for the lower priced item. In the main. Back to the shopper.

CK's post is utterly ridiculous. "the logistics industry has dug itself a massive hole it can't get out of". What the hell is that all about?

The UK is consumer driven. It is the only country in Europe I believe, that shops all day on Sundays. Germany doesn't even shop all day every Saturday.

If we want someone to blame then blame the supermarkets and on-line retailers like ebay and Amazon, but in any case you cannot force people to buy.