Harry's Garage - YouTube

[Caddyshack]

thegreenhell said:

soxboy said:

I don’t think red suits the styling, a nice light metallic looks a lot better.

Rosso corsa is a pretty bad colour on most cars. Very few can pull it off. Most Ferrari road cars look better in any other colour.

40% of all Ferraris made today are red, 85% were red in 80’s and 90’s.

If I buy a 355, it will be red.

[mdk1]

Looked nice and sounded good,
Anyone else noticed the Pista in the background in the garage?

[thegreenhell]

E90_M3Ross said:

Speed 3 said:

Doesn't do anything for me. Not a fan of flat plane V8's that sound like 4's.

Yep, I don't like most Ferrari V8s. They're just loud noise to me. Don't get me wrong, almost always nicer than a 4 pot, but even an old AMG or M car sound nicer to my ears.

The transverse engine cars - 308 and 328 - have asymmetric, unequal length exhausts, which means you can't balance the exhausts together, so you're always going to have two separate fours. The later longitudinal cars - 348 onwards - have symmetrical exhausts that can be balanced with an X pipe to make it sound like an eight instead of two fours. It still won't sound like an American V8 because the firing order is different on a flat plane crank.

[Leithen]

Caddyshack said:

thegreenhell said:

soxboy said:

I don’t think red suits the styling, a nice light metallic looks a lot better.

Rosso corsa is a pretty bad colour on most cars. Very few can pull it off. Most Ferrari road cars look better in any other colour.

40% of all Ferraris made today are red, 85% were red in 80’s and 90’s.

If I buy a 355, it will be red.

There have always been many different Ferrari Reds. Most cars that have been repainted are painted the wrong red.

Here is a colour card from the 70's.

[Doofus]

All Ferraris are the wrong red.

There's never been a Ferrari that hasn't looked better in a colour other than red.

[DonkeyApple]

That engine. In an Esprit. The Ferrari looked odd when new and looks odd today.

[Voxy]

Perhaps just feeling a 70s groove at the moment, but I recently saw this unusually coloured 208GT4 and thought it looked fabulous!

[suffolk009]

They're just inherantly unbalanced - too long in the middle. I cannot think of a mid engined four seater (or even 2+2) that looks good.

I normally like the look of Koenigseggs, but even their new 2+2 suffers from the same problem.

[WPA]

They were not Ferrari's finest hour, completely unloved when launched and still do not have a big following but I will say in anything but red I think they look ok, some fabulous 70's colours available.

Does anybody else remember Wheeler Dealers doing one, purchased for under £10k.

Sadly they will always live in the 308/328 shadow.

[Leithen]

There was a small overlap in production between the 308 and the original Dino, but it was clearly understood at the time that it was the replacement.

The problem the dealers had was the energy crisis and global economic aftershocks. Not a great time to try and flog them.

The 308 GTB and its successors had much better luck.

I wonder how often Ferrari have thought of bringing back the Dino brand.

[ajprice]

Leithen said:

I wonder how often Ferrari have thought of bringing back the Dino brand.

296 V6 engine without the hybrid and turbos, in something equivalent to a Cayman/Boxster .

[DonkeyApple]

I doubt they've considered bringing back a sub brand. Modern consumers wouldn't be any more interested than the last time. They want the cheapest way in to a known brand not to go into hock for something that can't be name dropped.

[Leithen]

DonkeyApple said:

I doubt they've considered bringing back a sub brand. Modern consumers wouldn't be any more interested than the last time. They want the cheapest way in to a known brand not to go into hock for something that can't be name dropped.

All evidence would suggest you are correct!

I do however love the brand. Its simplicity, design, the story behind it, the beauty of the original car etc etc.

[Doofus]

Leithen said:

All evidence would suggest you are correct!

I do however love the brand. Its simplicity...

I'd be fascinated to see you explain that.

[Leithen]

Doofus said:

Leithen said:

All evidence would suggest you are correct!

I do however love the brand. Its simplicity...

I'd be fascinated to see you explain that.

Er, it must be one of the simplest brand designs you'll ever see.

[Doofus]

So you love the logo, then.

[otolith]

DonkeyApple said:

I doubt they've considered bringing back a sub brand. Modern consumers wouldn't be any more interested than the last time. They want the cheapest way in to a known brand not to go into hock for something that can't be name dropped.

It would only really make sense if they wanted to sell some cheaper, higher volume cars without eroding the value of Ferrari. But everyone else is trying to go in the opposite direction.

[Leithen]

Doofus said:

So you love the logo, then.

Well yes, and I would describe that as the brand given that there were only ever two road car designs, which were obviously widely different. The thing that remains in the mind is the logo.

It had a six cylinder racing beginning and was apparently looked down on when in road car form even by Ferrari himself. The original 246 was underpowered and a big shift from what Ferrari had produced before.

Would Exor see a use for it, or is it destined to be a historical footnote? Big missed opportunity in my book, but hey ho.

[Doofus]

Leithen said:

Well yes, and I would describe that as the brand given that there were only ever two road car designs, which were obviously widely different. The thing that remains in the mind is the logo.

That's fine. You defined the word 'brand' in a different way to me.

[greenarrow]

Really enjoyed last night's video. Rare treat to see a 308 GT4 reviewed which had been cared for, ironically only two days earlier our family had re-watched the old Top Gear episode where they had that yellow GT4 which was an absolute dog. Definitely a marmite car the GT4. Personally I like how it looks, but my wife couldn't stand it. I think Gordon Murray owns one. Couple of things stood out for me. Firstly, I just don't think the engine sounds that nice. A comparable 1970s 911 Carrera for me would just sound so much better. Secondly, the profile on those tyres! It seems unbelievable now in 2024 that a junior supercar ever had 70 profile tyres on it. Last car I drove with such tall sidewalls was my daughter's Mk1 Ka, which similarly was on 70 profile tyres. But the upside of this is; didnt that car flow down Harry's road? Shrugged off all the bumps, didn't threaten to put him in a hedge. You could use virtually all the (admittedly modest by modern standards) performance and not feel you were going to lose your fillings. Modern cars are incredible machines, delivering performance just inconceivable just a few decades ago, but somewhere along the line, "real world" usability has been compromised on the sort of country roads cars like this should shine. So yeah, a thoroughly enjoyable review and Harry clearly loved the car.