Harry's Garage - YouTube

[DonkeyApple]

otolith said:

DonkeyApple said:

I doubt they've considered bringing back a sub brand. Modern consumers wouldn't be any more interested than the last time. They want the cheapest way in to a known brand not to go into hock for something that can't be name dropped.

It would only really make sense if they wanted to sell some cheaper, higher volume cars without eroding the value of Ferrari. But everyone else is trying to go in the opposite direction.

That was what the Maserati brand was for but it didn't work out and they've done stuff with Fiat many times with little success. Their core brand is so globally powerful they probably make more money sticking it on cheap tat and amusement parks etc than trying to create a discount sub brand and attempting to sell in volumes where others are far better.

[Doofus]

Swapping the wheels for 16" has a suprisingly big, and positive effect on the looks of the GT4. They take some of the weight out of the area behind the doors.

[otolith]

DonkeyApple said:

That was what the Maserati brand was for but it didn't work out and they've done stuff with Fiat many times with little success. Their core brand is so globally powerful they probably make more money sticking it on cheap tat and amusement parks etc than trying to create a discount sub brand and attempting to sell in volumes where others are far better.

Indeed, doesn't seem like something they need or want to do.

[DonkeyApple]

otolith said:

Indeed, doesn't seem like something they need or want to do.

Yup. Their model of restricting build quantities and catering for the most wealthy has worked well and is something they are excellent at. Trying to compete against a VW brand would seem madness.

[Doofus]

See also ASA (Autocostruzioni Società per Azioni)

[skylarking808]

Watching Harry in the Ferari 28GT4 I was struck by the size of the front seats.

The head restraint hardly reached his shoulders. Even if it was extended, there is no way it could reach the required height to be of any use.
Why did Ferraris of this era base their ergonomics on small children using them?

[Leithen]

The Dino brand could easily be to be used for limited runs. Given the desirability of the original incarnation, the price point could be just as high as the rest of the range.

[Leithen]

skylarking808 said:

Watching Harry in the Ferari 28GT4 I was struck by the size of the front seats.

The head restraint hardly reached his shoulders. Even if it was extended, there is no way it could reach the required height to be of any use.
Why did Ferraris of this era base their ergonomics on small children using them?

Ergonomics in the 70's were as much artistic as scientific.

[otolith]

skylarking808 said:

Watching Harry in the Ferari 28GT4 I was struck by the size of the front seats.

The head restraint hardly reached his shoulders. Even if it was extended, there is no way it could reach the required height to be of any use.
Why did Ferraris of this era base their ergonomics on small children using them?

Average height of Italian men enlisting for military service. Presumably your 1970's Ferrari buyers were somewhat older than men enlisting, so you'd need to look a bit further back.

[suffolk009]

Leithen said:

The Dino brand could easily be to be used for limited runs. Given the desirability of the original incarnation, the price point could be just as high as the rest of the range.

I expect they'd sell more of their entry level car (is that currently the Roma?), if they simply called it a Ferrari Dino.

[E90_M3Ross]

suffolk009 said:

Leithen said:

The Dino brand could easily be to be used for limited runs. Given the desirability of the original incarnation, the price point could be just as high as the rest of the range.

I expect they'd sell more of their entry level car (is that currently the Roma?), if they simply called it a Ferrari Dino.

I doubt it to be honest.

[Caddyshack]

I really like the GT4. I think I may know the chap who hill climbed the GT4 that Harry spoke about, if it is the guy I am thinking of he won the Ferrari Challenge in it one year too. I think he still has it and often see him in a 575, his son has a 348 that they bought him whilst we were at college together.



The GT4 was almost so cheap at one point that nobody bothered even looking at them, you can imagine the knobber comments of "poor mans Ferrari" back in the day.

[thegreenhell]

E90_M3Ross said:

suffolk009 said:

Leithen said:

The Dino brand could easily be to be used for limited runs. Given the desirability of the original incarnation, the price point could be just as high as the rest of the range.

I expect they'd sell more of their entry level car (is that currently the Roma?), if they simply called it a Ferrari Dino.

I doubt it to be honest.

Only a few old men know what a Dino is, so it would have no effect on most people.

I'd honestly prefer companies not to dilute their iconic old model names by sticking them on inappropriate new models. That's how we ended up with Maserati Ghibli saloons with a diesel engine from a Jeep.

[DonkeyApple]

thegreenhell said:

E90_M3Ross said:

suffolk009 said:

Leithen said:

The Dino brand could easily be to be used for limited runs. Given the desirability of the original incarnation, the price point could be just as high as the rest of the range.

I expect they'd sell more of their entry level car (is that currently the Roma?), if they simply called it a Ferrari Dino.

I doubt it to be honest.

Only a few old men know what a Dino is, so it would have no effect on most people.

I'd honestly prefer companies not to dilute their iconic old model names by sticking them on inappropriate new models. That's how we ended up with Maserati Ghibli saloons with a diesel engine from a Jeep.

More people have heard of the bar and grill.

[RicksAlfas]

I like the look of the GT4. It will never be as pretty as the GTB, but it's still a handsome beast.
I agree with the poster above about red Italian cars. Many of them look better in any other colour.

DonkeyApple said:

More people have heard of the bar and grill.

[sideways man]

Going well against the PH trend, I’d love a Dino. Should have splashed my cash back when they were cheap, but I had invested my efforts in a Lotus Elan. I’ve definitely missed the boat on price now though. Will be watching Harry’s Garage over a whisky later on, dreaming of what might have been…

[RichB]

sideways man said:

Going well against the PH trend, I’d love a Dino. Should have splashed my cash back when they were cheap, but I had invested my efforts in a Lotus Elan. I’ve definitely missed the boat on price now though. Will be watching Harry’s Garage over a whisky later on, dreaming of what might have been…

don't get me wrong, what i would call a proper Dino I.e the 206 and 246 are lovely but the 308 GT4 is not in the same league looks wise.

[sideways man]

RichB said:

sideways man said:

Going well against the PH trend, I’d love a Dino. Should have splashed my cash back when they were cheap, but I had invested my efforts in a Lotus Elan. I’ve definitely missed the boat on price now though. Will be watching Harry’s Garage over a whisky later on, dreaming of what might have been…

don't get me wrong, what i would call a proper Dino I.e the 206 and 246 are lovely but the 308 GT4 is not in the same league looks wise.

Not reall disputing the ‘looks ‘ argument, I had both a 246 and a 308 GTB on my poster wall, both of which have always been well out of my price range. The gt4 however…

[ChocolateFrog]

Not for me.

It reminds of the TopGear supercars for £10k. I bet its really slow compared to modern cars. Probably hardwork maintenance wise too without genuinely beautiful classic looks, just another generic looking 70's Gandini wedge.



And those ergonomics

[E90_M3Ross]

ChocolateFrog said:

Not for me.

It reminds of the TopGear supercars for £10k. I bet its really slow compared to modern cars. Probably hardwork maintenance wise too without genuinely beautiful classic looks, just another generic looking 70's Gandini wedge.



And those ergonomics

I'm with you there. It doesn't hold any appeal to me.