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[Speed 3]

WPA said:

I fully respect the craftsmanship that goes into the car but £750k, no thanks

Sure it is great to drive but too loud and I don't think it sounded nice.

Does anybody know how it works with deleting airbags and registration as surely it needs those.

Airbags weren't compulsory in 1992 when it was built (suspect it didn't have one from build) and Harry explained that it was temporarily on trade plates before redelivery to the owner on his registration.

[Caddyshack]

ChocolateFrog said:

I get that it's really good but they're rinsing blokes eith more money than sense.

I struggle to believe they can hand over the invoices while keeping a straight face.

"He's actually gonna pay it"

Suppose we just accept as fact that a handful of billionaires get richer and richer as 99.9999% of us get steadily poorer.

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Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

[Mark-ri571]

Caddyshack said:

Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

And a nice lot of VAT for U.K. Gov

[Jobbo]

Caddyshack said:

Re the poster above about wanting carbon doors then I am sure you can have that, it just isn’t sensible without door bars.

Did the 964RS have aluminium doors?

Answering my own question- no, aluminium was used for the racing versions like the RSR. But the RS doors omitted the crash bars

Edited by Jobbo on Monday 1st April 20:01

[Skeptisk]

Not a fan myself. I prefer an early 911. Yes this would be more comfortable and practical but people buying such cars probably have dozens of other cars so can’t see it being used as a daily driver. The large wheels and huge arches look a bit max power to me.

[pork911]

Mark-ri571 said:

Caddyshack said:

Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

And a nice lot of VAT for U.K. Gov

Are these the metrics now?

[DuncanM]

Never mind the leather oil filter cover, I note that "the 911" is now "911".

How many others on here, struggle with the anthropomorphism of inanimate objects?

[Pistom]

Skeptisk said:

Not a fan myself. I prefer an early 911. Yes this would be more comfortable and practical but people buying such cars probably have dozens of other cars so can’t see it being used as a daily driver. The large wheels and huge arches look a bit max power to me.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees it for what it is.

[Caddyshack]

pork911 said:

Mark-ri571 said:

Caddyshack said:

Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

And a nice lot of VAT for U.K. Gov

Are these the metrics now?

We were responding to the poster saying billionaires get richer which didn’t make sense to me.

[Greg_B]

pork911 said:

Like heaters and radios

No worries on that score here. This shockingly expensive car does not have working examples of either of those.

Plus it has a balky gear change and an interior noise level that will damage your hearing. Just lovely.

Even if I had the means, I think I’d pass. Only for the most wealthy of the true believers.

[Skeptisk]

Caddyshack said:

pork911 said:

Mark-ri571 said:

Caddyshack said:

Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

And a nice lot of VAT for U.K. Gov

Are these the metrics now?

We were responding to the poster saying billionaires get richer which didn’t make sense to me.

I assume the poster meant that as a general trend the super rich are getting richer whilst the rest of us are seeing our standard of living being eroded. So much so that despite spending a quarter of a million on an old car their growth in wealth is enough to offset that.

[sisu]

Skeptisk said:

Caddyshack said:

pork911 said:

Mark-ri571 said:

Caddyshack said:

Isn’t this a case where the billionaires get a little bit poorer as the guys that build the cars relieve them of £650k and pay their staff who are not billionaires either?

And a nice lot of VAT for U.K. Gov

Are these the metrics now?

We were responding to the poster saying billionaires get richer which didn’t make sense to me.

I assume the poster meant that as a general trend the super rich are getting richer whilst the rest of us are seeing our standard of living being eroded. So much so that despite spending a quarter of a million on an old car their growth in wealth is enough to offset that.

Yes, in an article for the Spectator Fraser Nelson calculated "that on a gross domestic product per capita basis, and after adjusted for price differences, the UK would sit just 49th out of the 50 US States, ahead of Mississippi. Just 15% over Mississippi over the past two decades, but remove London from the equation and 14% disappears, by comparison if you were to remove Amsterdam from Holland it would lose 5% and to use America state by state, if you were to remove the opulent San Francisco's Bay area output, the US GDP would only dip by 4%"

As for the Theon car it answers a question of how far you can take a 911 from that era if all you want is a car that looks like a '73 RS if you squint a bit.
Speaking of which, Porsche North America are suing Singer at the moment and its looking as though its going to be an out of court settlement in Porsches favour.
So lets see how this plays out with the Theon, Tuthill and other restomoders who re imagine early 911s.

[DonkeyApple]

Pistom said:

Speed 3 said:

Not getting the angst for the oil filter cover.

It's often the details which make something very right or very wrong.

Indeed but it seemed perfectly logical to me. I think people are distressed because leather is often sold as product to announce someone as being a superior human. So punters are pitched not just leather coverings on their seats to confirm their greatness as a human but then often on top of that an even more superior type of leather just to remind them that normal leather punters are still scum and that only by renting a special and magical type of leather for three years at junk credit rates can they truly start to lord it over the sort of sub humans who live in an identical property adjacent.

However, back in the real world away from the shopping princesses, leather is a useful medium for its practicality from its properties. Hence why it was used on exterior seating, for luggage, tool bags and all its historical uses. Many of which remain valid today.

The look of the engine bay of this car is clearly created to be part of the owner experience and if the oil filter jars visually due to its positioning and colour then sticking a cover over it is a quick, easy and cheap solution. No point in painting it as you'll just have to paint the next one. Plastic covers require a lot of thought re materials, the fixing mechanism and will inevitably break. But you have a seamstress who can knock out a cover in left over cow bits in seconds, the skin is heat resistant, water resistant, perfectly flexible so can be made fractionally too small for easy friction fitting.

Some people may only see leather as an upsell for consumer tat and by god we're used to seeing it used as such and for lifting cash from punters who want LEDs and screens everywhere but in this case is it not the cheapest, easiest and best solution for covering an ugly orange thing that spoils the space? They ought to make one for Donald Trump.

[E90_M3Ross]

sisu said:

Yes, in an article for the Spectator Fraser Nelson calculated "that on a gross domestic product per capita basis, and after adjusted for price differences, the UK would sit just 49th out of the 50 US States, ahead of Mississippi. Just 15% over Mississippi over the past two decades, but remove London from the equation and 14% disappears, by comparison if you were to remove Amsterdam from Holland it would lose 5% and to use America state by state, if you were to remove the opulent San Francisco's Bay area output, the US GDP would only dip by 4%"

As for the Theon car it answers a question of how far you can take a 911 from that era if all you want is a car that looks like a '73 RS if you squint a bit.
Speaking of which, Porsche North America are suing Singer at the moment and its looking as though its going to be an out of court settlement in Porsches favour.
So lets see how this plays out with the Theon, Tuthill and other restomoders who re imagine early 911s.

What exactly are they suing them for!? Modifying someone's car?!

[LM240]

I get it, it’s something bespoke for wealthy people. No animosity about that.

Value? Some are clearly willing and able to buy such a thing. If they want to spend their money on the product then so what. There are plenty of other luxury items that make little sense in the true sense of value. A £30 Casio is arguably a better ‘watch’ than many watches worth £££££, but it is arguably not ‘nicer’ or ‘special’.

Being able to buy something bespoke to your tastes must be very nice. The experience also seemed very good. Too noisy, they’ll do something quieter etc etc.

Don’t see the fuss about the filter cover. Aesthetics. Hardly offensive. For me, the one detail that was horrid was the steering wheel.

[suffolk009]

DonkeyApple said:

Pistom said:

Speed 3 said:

Not getting the angst for the oil filter cover.

It's often the details which make something very right or very wrong.

Indeed but it seemed perfectly logical to me. I think people are distressed because leather is often sold as product to announce someone as being a superior human. So punters are pitched not just leather coverings on their seats to confirm their greatness as a human but then often on top of that an even more superior type of leather just to remind them that normal leather punters are still scum and that only by renting a special and magical type of leather for three years at junk credit rates can they truly start to lord it over the sort of sub humans who live in an identical property adjacent.

However, back in the real world away from the shopping princesses, leather is a useful medium for its practicality from its properties. Hence why it was used on exterior seating, for luggage, tool bags and all its historical uses. Many of which remain valid today.

The look of the engine bay of this car is clearly created to be part of the owner experience and if the oil filter jars visually due to its positioning and colour then sticking a cover over it is a quick, easy and cheap solution. No point in painting it as you'll just have to paint the next one. Plastic covers require a lot of thought re materials, the fixing mechanism and will inevitably break. But you have a seamstress who can knock out a cover in left over cow bits in seconds, the skin is heat resistant, water resistant, perfectly flexible so can be made fractionally too small for easy friction fitting.

Some people may only see leather as an upsell for consumer tat and by god we're used to seeing it used as such and for lifting cash from punters who want LEDs and screens everywhere but in this case is it not the cheapest, easiest and best solution for covering an ugly orange thing that spoils the space? They ought to make one for Donald Trump.

It's odd how leather seats have become the default expensive option. If you look at something like an old Rollls Royce sedanca (like Golfinger's), the chauffeur sat up front without a roof and on practical leather seats, whilst the rich owner sat in the back warm and on some very comfortable cloth.

[Wills2]

Not a fan of that 911 restomod, the price or the bits that Harry pointed out, especially the gear change as that has to be a major part of the experience and should be spot on for 3/4 million, I didn't think it sounded that great either, too loud and industrial for my ears.

They are charging what they think people will pay, using Singer's resale market as a tool to rinse the customer base (but they will be big boys or girls so that's fine) The Singer experience has shown that you don't get poorer you get richer if you get an allocation not sure if the same will apply to these cars.

[WPA]

DonkeyApple said:

The look of the engine bay of this car is clearly created to be part of the owner experience and if the oil filter jars visually due to its positioning and colour then sticking a cover over it is a quick, easy and cheap solution. No point in painting it as you'll just have to paint the next one. Plastic covers require a lot of thought re materials, the fixing mechanism and will inevitably break. But you have a seamstress who can knock out a cover in left over cow bits in seconds, the skin is heat resistant, water resistant, perfectly flexible so can be made fractionally too small for easy friction fitting.

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread you can get a black oil filter, makes more sense than a leather cover.

[greenarrow]

ChocolateFrog said:

I get that it's really good but they're rinsing blokes eith more money than sense.

I struggle to believe they can hand over the invoices while keeping a straight face.

"He's actually gonna pay it"

Suppose we just accept as fact that a handful of billionaires get richer and richer as 99.9999% of us get steadily poorer.

Don't get me wrong it's a lovely thing along with the Singers and Tuthill's of this world I'm just utterly done with million pound cars with hilarious options prices and more than a bit sad that you can no longer pick up a reasonable 993 for £20k.

Yeah the world has sure changed. To think that in 1994, McLaren couldn't shift the 100 F1s they were looking to sell at £630K a pop. Even allowing for inflation its amazing how every £1-£2 million pound hyper car sells out its allocation almost immediately these days.

I guess cars like this are what rich people prefer to buy these days instead of fine art (or as well as). The one that got me was the Tolman 205 GTI 1.9. Was it £40K or £50K? The good old 205 GTI. Another car that is now out of reach for ordinary folks. To think we sold ours for 2 grand just under 10 years ago....

As for porsches, if you want a flat six experience early 986 Boxsters are still very cheap!

[DonkeyApple]

WPA said:

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread you can get a black oil filter, makes more sense than a leather cover.

So if an owner is utterly offended by the existence of leather close to their engine they can just ask for a black oil filter instead? That would imply that this is not a crippling issue that would break the deal?