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964Cup said:
heebeegeetee said:
What is it's top speed in third, does anyone know?
91 mph.From the manual:
1st: 42
2nd: 66
3rd: 91
4th: 118
5th: 150
6th: 193
7th: 206
For reference, the speeds in gear for the 720 are:
1st: 50
2nd: 76
3rd: 105
4th: 136
5th: 173
6th: 212
7th: 197
heebeegeetee said:
But for a trip there from the UK (or anywhere, possibly) I don't think that's the best car for the job, I genuinely think that more fun (and an easier life in terms of luggage, cruising ability etc) can be had for a fraction of the price (and running costs) of a car like this McLaren.
Easier life, yes. Fun, no. We did a trip to Italy in my 720 in '22, and are doing one to Spain in September in my 750. I can't think of anything that would be more fun in terms of pure driving pleasure, even if the 964 restomod we took to Sicily last year had more luggage space and fuel range.As others have said - own one or drive one before you dismiss them.
Re fun - and Spain is a also bloody great place to drive I reckon - I think fun can be had in any manner of sporting cars. It's not a competition, there isn't a rule that says the most money will return the most fun.
As DA says, the roads and conditions have not changed over time in the way that cars have changed. The capabilities of cars like these are, imo, now completely out of sync with roads, conditions, and social mores.
loudlashadjuster said:
DonkeyApple said:
JeremyH5 said:
With all this talk of the flat plane V8 McLaren use, I realise I don’t know why a manufacturer would choose one over an alternative that sounds better. Are they more efficient, better balanced? Can anyone educate me on this please?
Used to be about getting better balance out of the v8 design. 
heebeegeetee said:
964Cup said:
heebeegeetee said:
What is it's top speed in third, does anyone know?
91 mph.From the manual:
1st: 42
2nd: 66
3rd: 91
4th: 118
5th: 150
6th: 193
7th: 206
For reference, the speeds in gear for the 720 are:
1st: 50
2nd: 76
3rd: 105
4th: 136
5th: 173
6th: 212
7th: 197
heebeegeetee said:
But for a trip there from the UK (or anywhere, possibly) I don't think that's the best car for the job, I genuinely think that more fun (and an easier life in terms of luggage, cruising ability etc) can be had for a fraction of the price (and running costs) of a car like this McLaren.
Easier life, yes. Fun, no. We did a trip to Italy in my 720 in '22, and are doing one to Spain in September in my 750. I can't think of anything that would be more fun in terms of pure driving pleasure, even if the 964 restomod we took to Sicily last year had more luggage space and fuel range.As others have said - own one or drive one before you dismiss them.
Re fun - and Spain is a also bloody great place to drive I reckon - I think fun can be had in any manner of sporting cars. It's not a competition, there isn't a rule that says the most money will return the most fun.
As DA says, the roads and conditions have not changed over time in the way that cars have changed. The capabilities of cars like these are, imo, now completely out of sync with roads, conditions, and social mores.
Mclaren is clearly the Marque for the drivers, if I were rich enough, I wouldn't consider anything else.
I think I prefer the styling of the 570S/GT cars, and the Artura, but that's not to say the 750 isn't a stunning car, and as Harry's review shows, about as good as it gets supercar wise.
I think I prefer the styling of the 570S/GT cars, and the Artura, but that's not to say the 750 isn't a stunning car, and as Harry's review shows, about as good as it gets supercar wise.
DuncanM said:
Mclaren is clearly the Marque for the drivers, if I were rich enough, I wouldn't consider anything else.
McLaren Super Series cars certainly do the hyper-GT thing very well, but I would never consider a car with auto everything taken to the n-th degree (gearbox, ESP, TSC, e-diff with torque vectoring, ECU controlled interlinked hydraulic suspension) as a 'driver's' car. Then again I would probably say the same about most of it's competitors.Olivera said:
McLaren Super Series cars certainly do the hyper-GT thing very well, but I would never consider a car with auto everything taken to the n-th degree (gearbox, ESP, TSC, e-diff with torque vectoring, ECU controlled interlinked hydraulic suspension) as a 'driver's' car. Then again I would probably say the same about most of it's competitors.
Well yes, couldn't agree more tbh, but I meant in it's class, steering, weight, etc. I have a hankering now and then, for an auto sports/GT car, then I remember how much I love driving, having spent years heel+toeing, feeling like good progress is very much due, on some part to my learned skills.
Maybe when I'm 60, or then again maybe not!
I certainly get more fun from travelling slower and having to do more work. At least we're spoiled for choice these days for cars. During the first part of the video I found myself thinking something like a GR Yaris might be more fun as you'd have to do more work and focus more on coming out of the corners with the right rpm.
Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
ArgonautX said:
Frankychops said:
So he prefers the 750s over the 296, people then moan about it.
Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
Hm, I think 296 is primarily a Artura competitor. Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
I don't know how anyone can say the McLaren isn't stunning. It looks like a spaceship and goes like one.
It is too quick for UK roads i'd wager, but for cross continental blasting it must be a dream.
Great video from Harry as normal, informative, unbiased and interesting. It made me want to grab the keys for the Lotus and go for a blast.
It is too quick for UK roads i'd wager, but for cross continental blasting it must be a dream.
Great video from Harry as normal, informative, unbiased and interesting. It made me want to grab the keys for the Lotus and go for a blast.
DonkeyApple said:
I certainly get more fun from travelling slower and having to do more work. At least we're spoiled for choice these days for cars. During the first part of the video I found myself thinking something like a GR Yaris might be more fun as you'd have to do more work and focus more on coming out of the corners with the right rpm.
Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
My GT86 is a sweet spot for my current needs, it's a slow car, but driving it fast is a joy on the right roads. It would be perfect with a little more power, but I don't want to mess about with forced induction, and I have my Cerbera for that anyway. Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
DuncanM said:
Well yes, couldn't agree more tbh, but I meant in it's class, steering, weight, etc.
I have a hankering now and then, for an auto sports/GT car, then I remember how much I love driving, having spent years heel+toeing, feeling like good progress is very much due, on some part to my learned skills.
Maybe when I'm 60, or then again maybe not!
Sure, but the great joy of the McLaren is that I can use it to drive to work - into the City from North London, at 8mph on a good day; and for a long autoroute cruise; and wring its neck on D-roads and their Italian and Spanish counterparts; and go faster than a GT3 RS around Donington. Although I rarely use it for the first of those - except when I need cheering up - that versatility makes it a better proposition than any of my other cars.I have a hankering now and then, for an auto sports/GT car, then I remember how much I love driving, having spent years heel+toeing, feeling like good progress is very much due, on some part to my learned skills.
Maybe when I'm 60, or then again maybe not!
The same, of course, would be true of the 296; I just didn't like it very much. And, I suspect, it would also be true of the Alpine - although what that won't have that the McLaren (and Ferrari) does is the ability to overtake anything, anywhere. Another thing not shown by Harry in his video because of modern "mores" but the reality is that empty roads are rare and being able safely to get round a lumbering Dutch campervan on the very short straights between hairpins is crucial if you are actually to enjoy yourself.
A 458 does sound better, but the performance difference really is material. We're back to this overtaking thing again - 800nm vs 540nm, and 150 kilos lighter even than the pure ICE Ferrari. 60-120 in a shade over 4 seconds as opposed to just under 7.
AlexS said:
ArgonautX said:
Frankychops said:
So he prefers the 750s over the 296, people then moan about it.
Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
Hm, I think 296 is primarily a Artura competitor. Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
964Cup said:
Sure, but the great joy of the McLaren is that I can use it to drive to work - into the City from North London, at 8mph on a good day; and for a long autoroute cruise; and wring its neck on D-roads and their Italian and Spanish counterparts; and go faster than a GT3 RS around Donington. Although I rarely use it for the first of those - except when I need cheering up - that versatility makes it a better proposition than any of my other cars.
The same, of course, would be true of the 296; I just didn't like it very much. And, I suspect, it would also be true of the Alpine - although what that won't have that the McLaren (and Ferrari) does is the ability to overtake anything, anywhere. Another thing not shown by Harry in his video because of modern "mores" but the reality is that empty roads are rare and being able safely to get round a lumbering Dutch campervan on the very short straights between hairpins is crucial if you are actually to enjoy yourself.
A 458 does sound better, but the performance difference really is material. We're back to this overtaking thing again - 800nm vs 540nm, and 150 kilos lighter even than the pure ICE Ferrari. 60-120 in a shade over 4 seconds as opposed to just under 7.
(my first post) Mclaren is clearly the Marque for the drivers, if I were rich enough, I wouldn't consider anything else.The same, of course, would be true of the 296; I just didn't like it very much. And, I suspect, it would also be true of the Alpine - although what that won't have that the McLaren (and Ferrari) does is the ability to overtake anything, anywhere. Another thing not shown by Harry in his video because of modern "mores" but the reality is that empty roads are rare and being able safely to get round a lumbering Dutch campervan on the very short straights between hairpins is crucial if you are actually to enjoy yourself.
A 458 does sound better, but the performance difference really is material. We're back to this overtaking thing again - 800nm vs 540nm, and 150 kilos lighter even than the pure ICE Ferrari. 60-120 in a shade over 4 seconds as opposed to just under 7.
I think I prefer the styling of the 570S/GT cars, and the Artura, but that's not to say the 750 isn't a stunning car, and as Harry's review shows, about as good as it gets supercar wise.(/my first post)
I would dearly love to be shopping for a Mclaren, you have an amazing car, one of the finest in it's class for sure
. Frankychops said:
AlexS said:
ArgonautX said:
Frankychops said:
So he prefers the 750s over the 296, people then moan about it.
Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
Hm, I think 296 is primarily a Artura competitor. Its likely the 750s will be more reliable also. Depreciation, well the 296 is dropping fast also. Not to mention 300kg lighter and more torque.
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