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heebeegeetee said:
964Cup said:
Another thing not shown by Harry in his video because of modern "mores" but the reality is that empty roads are rare and being able safely to get round a lumbering Dutch campervan on the very short straights between hairpins is crucial if you are actually to enjoy yourself.
Not true ime in that massive, central part of France that Harry went through, at this time of year. I was surprised to see a couple of camper vans, but nevertheless, in much/most of central massif and French alps, the roads can be utterly, utterly deserted. Same with much of central Spain I reckon too, for possibly a wider spread of time per annum.
And not confined to short straights - as with much of Harry's film, the roads can be lovely and flowing. This is why I was surprised by Harry's trip to Majorca in a previous vlog, those roads were rubbish for fast driving imo. He paid money to leave mainland Spain and went somewhere where everything is much more confined, I was really surprised about that.
You are absolutely right about France and mainland Spain for deserted roads.
Great to see 750S video is generating plenty of debate. I can't answer every post but will do my best to cover most points here;
It's hard to drive a McLaren 750S flat out on public roads and stay legal on camera, hence why you didn't hear me red-line it through the gears in this video. Maybe I should have done a dedicated run but that's tricky to do with Mrs.M sitting beside you when you're away on a bit of a holiday.
Plus this is a real-world car review where I hope to give you an insight into what a car is like to live with, which is why I don't generally film stuff on track as a rule. I can say though, this 750S sounds great when pushed and much better than past McLarens. Yes, the V6 in the 296 sings a better tune but I really liked the more understated sound of the 750S as it sounded great when you wanted it to, unlike the Ferrari F8 in my view.
Another big surprise were the looks, which made you do a double take. The 720S always looked awkward to me, yet this particular 750S looked terrific at all times and generated lots of positive comments from others during my time with it.
Next, I should mention the Pirelli Corsa tyres, which coped way better with general usage than I expected them to do. Pirelli have recently revamped all their tyres but have not renamed them, which is both very odd and confusing. That new 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo that has just posted a crazy 'Ring time was fitted with the new Pirelli Trofeo R tyre, not the Michelin Cup 2R as you might have expected it to be on and I understand Porsche have dropped the Cup2 from the GT3 in favour of the new Pirelli Corsa tyre fitted to this 750S. So all change there too. Yet I've seen nothing about this in the general media, though.
Then we come to the crazy level of performance on offer from the 750S, which is nuts yet not that unusual today. The difference with this McLaren is I didn't feel the need to wring it out in every gear to enjoy it. I loved the engineering under the skin, the linked suspension with no roll-bars, the rear wing flicking up when braking, the crazy torque at low revs, the stiff carbon tub allowing the suspension to do it's stuff, etc. Maybe it was the fact I'd already driven a 750S hard on track before doing this trip made me less frustrated I couldn't wring it out on the road, I don't know. Whatever, it's obviously stupidly quick but it was the way you could enjoy it without having to reach for the redline all the time I loved, safe in the knowledge that if a Veyron fancied it's chances, you could show it who's the real boss if you wanted to.
Other points about rHG oad-trips in general. You're basically joining me on a bit of a holiday away, rather than dedicated road-trip done purely for YouTube. Sometimes the roads are great and sometimes they're not (like Mallorca but then the scenery made up for it) but it's all part of the experience. I absolutely loved the Countach trip, as I got to really got to live with it again over a week on some great roads. Then I popped it on a truck and flew home, so easy. With this 750S road-trip, it was no issue to simply hit cruise and devour French Autoroutes while listening to podcast on the way home, which wouldn't have been possible in a classic. So that was great too.
I hope that answers some of the points you've raised in this thread and I can confirm there's a very different type of video going live 5pm this Sunday..
It's hard to drive a McLaren 750S flat out on public roads and stay legal on camera, hence why you didn't hear me red-line it through the gears in this video. Maybe I should have done a dedicated run but that's tricky to do with Mrs.M sitting beside you when you're away on a bit of a holiday.
Plus this is a real-world car review where I hope to give you an insight into what a car is like to live with, which is why I don't generally film stuff on track as a rule. I can say though, this 750S sounds great when pushed and much better than past McLarens. Yes, the V6 in the 296 sings a better tune but I really liked the more understated sound of the 750S as it sounded great when you wanted it to, unlike the Ferrari F8 in my view.
Another big surprise were the looks, which made you do a double take. The 720S always looked awkward to me, yet this particular 750S looked terrific at all times and generated lots of positive comments from others during my time with it.
Next, I should mention the Pirelli Corsa tyres, which coped way better with general usage than I expected them to do. Pirelli have recently revamped all their tyres but have not renamed them, which is both very odd and confusing. That new 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo that has just posted a crazy 'Ring time was fitted with the new Pirelli Trofeo R tyre, not the Michelin Cup 2R as you might have expected it to be on and I understand Porsche have dropped the Cup2 from the GT3 in favour of the new Pirelli Corsa tyre fitted to this 750S. So all change there too. Yet I've seen nothing about this in the general media, though.
Then we come to the crazy level of performance on offer from the 750S, which is nuts yet not that unusual today. The difference with this McLaren is I didn't feel the need to wring it out in every gear to enjoy it. I loved the engineering under the skin, the linked suspension with no roll-bars, the rear wing flicking up when braking, the crazy torque at low revs, the stiff carbon tub allowing the suspension to do it's stuff, etc. Maybe it was the fact I'd already driven a 750S hard on track before doing this trip made me less frustrated I couldn't wring it out on the road, I don't know. Whatever, it's obviously stupidly quick but it was the way you could enjoy it without having to reach for the redline all the time I loved, safe in the knowledge that if a Veyron fancied it's chances, you could show it who's the real boss if you wanted to.
Other points about rHG oad-trips in general. You're basically joining me on a bit of a holiday away, rather than dedicated road-trip done purely for YouTube. Sometimes the roads are great and sometimes they're not (like Mallorca but then the scenery made up for it) but it's all part of the experience. I absolutely loved the Countach trip, as I got to really got to live with it again over a week on some great roads. Then I popped it on a truck and flew home, so easy. With this 750S road-trip, it was no issue to simply hit cruise and devour French Autoroutes while listening to podcast on the way home, which wouldn't have been possible in a classic. So that was great too.
I hope that answers some of the points you've raised in this thread and I can confirm there's a very different type of video going live 5pm this Sunday..
M4SER said:
I can say though, this 750S sounds great when pushed and much better than past McLarens. Yes, the V6 in the 296 sings a better tune but I really liked the more understated sound of the 750S as it sounded great when you wanted it to, unlike the Ferrari F8 in my view.
This. The 750 is my 5th McLaren and the sound is night and day compared to the others. Great vid.
The 750S review was great...and compared to other current supercars it's a real lightweight, was shocked at the weight difference! Certainly this review won me over. And no haptic switches on the wheel, or anywhere....HUGE plus.
Only thing I don't like on the car (apart from no fuel gauge) is in brighter colours, the front end is quite ''full''. Needs an option for some darker paint or carbon on the front end to balance it out.
Only thing I don't like on the car (apart from no fuel gauge) is in brighter colours, the front end is quite ''full''. Needs an option for some darker paint or carbon on the front end to balance it out.
Unreal said:
suffolk009 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I certainly get more fun from travelling slower and having to do more work. At least we're spoiled for choice these days for cars. During the first part of the video I found myself thinking something like a GR Yaris might be more fun as you'd have to do more work and focus more on coming out of the corners with the right rpm.
Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
I have a friend with a GR Yaris. He says it is so capable it's a bit numb to drive. Apparently it's impossible to unsettle in a road corner at any sane speed.Horses for courses, love the car but maybe overkill for that sort of trip?
I have to say the road trips are my favourite HG videos (and yes, I've got two 2024 Michelin maps arriving tomorrow for our Eurothrash this summer).
The 750S sounded remarkably like my Abarth 124 Spider and not at all like a V8 should but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting from the comments I'd read before watching the video last night.
That real-world element that Harry brings is invaluable in terms of actual GT usability.
The 750S sounded remarkably like my Abarth 124 Spider and not at all like a V8 should but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting from the comments I'd read before watching the video last night.
That real-world element that Harry brings is invaluable in terms of actual GT usability.
E90_M3Ross said:
heebeegeetee said:
E90_M3Ross said:
That 6th to 7th on the 750S seems a bit off to me? Almost barely worth the gear!
Overdrive? br d said:
M4SER said:
I can say though, this 750S sounds great when pushed and much better than past McLarens. Yes, the V6 in the 296 sings a better tune but I really liked the more understated sound of the 750S as it sounded great when you wanted it to, unlike the Ferrari F8 in my view.
This. The 750 is my 5th McLaren and the sound is night and day compared to the others. Great vid.
M4SER said:
Next, I should mention the Pirelli Corsa tyres, which coped way better with general usage than I expected them to do. Pirelli have recently revamped all their tyres but have not renamed them, which is both very odd and confusing. That new 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo that has just posted a crazy 'Ring time was fitted with the new Pirelli Trofeo R tyre, not the Michelin Cup 2R as you might have expected it to be on and I understand Porsche have dropped the Cup2 from the GT3 in favour of the new Pirelli Corsa tyre fitted to this 750S. So all change there too. Yet I've seen nothing about this in the general media, though.
My understanding is that while the P0 Corsa doesn't give quite the same level of dry grip as the Cup 2 they are far better in the wet and also easier to get up to temp.I think Cup 2 and similar are a little overkill for road driving. One of my scariest drives was on a soaking wet motorway with lots of standing water in my old Elise S2 Exige on Yokohama AO48s. I spent more time floating than driving.
I'm surprised that manufacturers don't require disclaimers for cars supplied with semi slick tyres. BMW required waivers for the E46 M3 CSL that was supplied with the original Sport Cups.
My 720S had the P-Zero Corsa's fitted when I bought it (a 2021 car), which I changed to PS4S's prior to my road trip to Portugal last year purely because the Michelin's are always so capable in tricky conditions...
I have to say, the PS4S took longer to get up to temperature, and I don't think the difference in wet grip was as night and day as it used to be with Pirelli and Michelin. If I bought another with Corsa's I'd just stick with them.
I have to say, the PS4S took longer to get up to temperature, and I don't think the difference in wet grip was as night and day as it used to be with Pirelli and Michelin. If I bought another with Corsa's I'd just stick with them.
I haven't tried the new Corsas, but the PZeros that came on my 750 were as sketchy as the ones I started with on both of my 720s. Moderate acceleration from 60mph in 5th on a greasy M4 had the car snap sideways; this was not a delight. PS4S are just more predictable and work better when cold.
That said, I'm taking a 3RS on Cup 2s to Spa at the end of the month, with Cup 2Rs waiting for me on arrival. Mind you, it never rains in the Ardennes, so I'm sure I'll be fine.
That said, I'm taking a 3RS on Cup 2s to Spa at the end of the month, with Cup 2Rs waiting for me on arrival. Mind you, it never rains in the Ardennes, so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Davey S2 said:
My understanding is that while the P0 Corsa doesn't give quite the same level of dry grip as the Cup 2 they are far better in the wet and also easier to get up to temp.
I think Cup 2 and similar are a little overkill for road driving. One of my scariest drives was on a soaking wet motorway with lots of standing water in my old Elise S2 Exige on Yokohama AO48s. I spent more time floating than driving.
I'm surprised that manufacturers don't require disclaimers for cars supplied with semi slick tyres. BMW required waivers for the E46 M3 CSL that was supplied with the original Sport Cups.
My most frightening drive was in a Caterham Superlight. The 1.6 was supplied with, IIRC, what were basically Formula Ford wets. Crossplys too. Not good on a busy Belgian motorway in the torrential rain.I think Cup 2 and similar are a little overkill for road driving. One of my scariest drives was on a soaking wet motorway with lots of standing water in my old Elise S2 Exige on Yokohama AO48s. I spent more time floating than driving.
I'm surprised that manufacturers don't require disclaimers for cars supplied with semi slick tyres. BMW required waivers for the E46 M3 CSL that was supplied with the original Sport Cups.
suffolk009 said:
My most frightening drive was in a Caterham Superlight. The 1.6 was supplied with, IIRC, what were basically Formula Ford wets. Crossplys too. Not good on a busy Belgian motorway in the torrential rain.
At least you were in a car that would offer substantial protection in a crash. Oh, hang on.... 
NDA said:
suffolk009 said:
My most frightening drive was in a Caterham Superlight. The 1.6 was supplied with, IIRC, what were basically Formula Ford wets. Crossplys too. Not good on a busy Belgian motorway in the torrential rain.
At least you were in a car that would offer substantial protection in a crash. Oh, hang on.... NDA said:
suffolk009 said:
My most frightening drive was in a Caterham Superlight. The 1.6 was supplied with, IIRC, what were basically Formula Ford wets. Crossplys too. Not good on a busy Belgian motorway in the torrential rain.
At least you were in a car that would offer substantial protection in a crash. Oh, hang on.... Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff