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ArgonautX said:
This wasn't the touchscreen, rather the screen that acts as an instrument cluster. Which made me think will it be even possible to keep those cars on the road in 10-15 years if there are no cheaper replaceemnt displays...
Just unplug, sling in the bin and plug in some Chinese tat off temu which will also have stripper lighting and other rubbish built in. We've been plugging in after market dash clusters for years already because 'race car'. But to be honest, for the few survivor vehicles we're just going to do what we've always done and nip down to the scrappie for a replacement. EddieSteadyGo said:
ArgonautX said:
This wasn't the touchscreen, rather the screen that acts as an instrument cluster. Which made me think will it be even possible to keep those cars on the road in 10-15 years if there are no cheaper replaceemnt displays...
In 15 years time literally tens of millions of these Tesla screens will have been made. That means there will an endless supply of replacement/2nd-hand-parts to keep older cars on the road.It seems to me that changing a battery should be fundamentally easier than changing a gearbox it's just that most of us haven't done it yet.
A couple of coolant lines and an electrical connection plus a ton of bolts.
In reality I'd imagine that almost no cars have their pack changed in the same way almost no one changes their engine or gearbox.
Using the early Nissan Leaf as an example is a red herring IMO. Old battery tech and as soon as other EVs drop near their price level they'll just be scrapped or become the £1000 sheds of the EV world.
A couple of coolant lines and an electrical connection plus a ton of bolts.
In reality I'd imagine that almost no cars have their pack changed in the same way almost no one changes their engine or gearbox.
Using the early Nissan Leaf as an example is a red herring IMO. Old battery tech and as soon as other EVs drop near their price level they'll just be scrapped or become the £1000 sheds of the EV world.
ChocolateFrog said:
It seems to me that changing a battery should be fundamentally easier than changing a gearbox it's just that most of us haven't done it yet.
A couple of coolant lines and an electrical connection plus a ton of bolts.
In reality I'd imagine that almost no cars have their pack changed in the same way almost no one changes their engine or gearbox.
Using the early Nissan Leaf as an example is a red herring IMO. Old battery tech and as soon as other EVs drop near their price level they'll just be scrapped or become the £1000 sheds of the EV world.
This is an area which requires legal work against the oems. Many currently favour the cost saving of easy manufacturing installation over any kind of ease or efficiency to later replacing the part. Hardly uncommon as any owner of a modern JLR product knows. A couple of coolant lines and an electrical connection plus a ton of bolts.
In reality I'd imagine that almost no cars have their pack changed in the same way almost no one changes their engine or gearbox.
Using the early Nissan Leaf as an example is a red herring IMO. Old battery tech and as soon as other EVs drop near their price level they'll just be scrapped or become the £1000 sheds of the EV world.
But by the time legislation appears to enforce oems to make battery packs removable at a sensible number of man hours it will be the case that battery tech has moved forward sufficiently that the typical pack will outlast the typical car. We haven't even yet resolved the legislation to force the initial battery vendor to be responsible for the end of life issue.
As for the Leaf, their lack of cooling and quality BMS meant they consumed their batteries much quicker than stuff built today.
What is really needed is proper data on the state of each cell in the batteries to be mandatory to hand over at the point of used sales as that's what we really care about, how well looked after or how shagged the battery has been by the previous users.
I watched the Tesla 3 video last night.
Buying one is still a no for me:
1. No speedo or HUD is ridiculous, having to look past your left hand to work out what your speed is, rather than a quick glance down or even straight ahead with an HUD.
2. Build quality: the car looks cheap and plasticky inside and I read that the panel gaps are appalling.
3. Ridiculous placement for the indicators.
4. Ditto heating controls.
5. No Apple CarPlay.
6. It's the clitoris of EVs (every c***'s got one). Nothing yells "photocopier salesman from Slough" more than a Tesla; understandably so, given the tax breaks currently in place.
7. Why on Earth would you pay so much extra for autonomous driving that probably couldn't be used until after you've sold the car on?
8. Elon Musk.
Buying one is still a no for me:
1. No speedo or HUD is ridiculous, having to look past your left hand to work out what your speed is, rather than a quick glance down or even straight ahead with an HUD.
2. Build quality: the car looks cheap and plasticky inside and I read that the panel gaps are appalling.
3. Ridiculous placement for the indicators.
4. Ditto heating controls.
5. No Apple CarPlay.
6. It's the clitoris of EVs (every c***'s got one). Nothing yells "photocopier salesman from Slough" more than a Tesla; understandably so, given the tax breaks currently in place.
7. Why on Earth would you pay so much extra for autonomous driving that probably couldn't be used until after you've sold the car on?
8. Elon Musk.
ajprice said:
If you could upgrade the battery on an older EV, it would still have the old chademo or type 1 charge port. As far as I know there's no upgrade or conversion for an older charge port system to a newer type 2 or CCS (or the Tesla port that American market cars will be changing to).
I think that when you've gone to the time, effort, and expense of replacing the battery, changing its physical interface, or even the whole charging/BMS side, isn't that big a deal.skylarking808 said:
Would be interesting to compare the number of speeding tickets for Tesla owners compared to ICE cars.
However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A simple HUD would add such an insignificant amount to the total BOM too. However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A massive oversight. I'm surprised that legislation doesn't dictate that the speed is displayed clearly in front of the driver.
Blackpuddin said:
suffolk009 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think that one genuinely impressive aspect of the whole brand is that they can build almost as cheaply as a Chinese brand, what is ostensibly a white goods, stripped down product but with brand cache. Genuine cache rather than gold painted plastics. There are very few cases in history where a brand has managed that. Brand premium and cheap manufacturing. Arguably that is their true advantage over the incumbent, similarly premium/mid level brands.
ChocolateFrog said:
skylarking808 said:
Would be interesting to compare the number of speeding tickets for Tesla owners compared to ICE cars.
However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A simple HUD would add such an insignificant amount to the total BOM too. However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A massive oversight. I'm surprised that legislation doesn't dictate that the speed is displayed clearly in front of the driver.
RichB said:
Blackpuddin said:
suffolk009 said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think that one genuinely impressive aspect of the whole brand is that they can build almost as cheaply as a Chinese brand, what is ostensibly a white goods, stripped down product but with brand cache. Genuine cache rather than gold painted plastics. There are very few cases in history where a brand has managed that. Brand premium and cheap manufacturing. Arguably that is their true advantage over the incumbent, similarly premium/mid level brands.
EddieSteadyGo said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I didn't realise Tesla no longer sold a performance version of the 3
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That is literally about to change in the next day or so. All the big content creators were on a launch day a few weeks ago for the new Model 3 performance. It has circa 600bhp. Apparently they are already been produced in volume at their Shanghai factory. Global announcement should be very soon....
ChocolateFrog said:
skylarking808 said:
Would be interesting to compare the number of speeding tickets for Tesla owners compared to ICE cars.
However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A simple HUD would add such an insignificant amount to the total BOM too. However good your eyesight, that is a tiny display in a stupid place!
A massive oversight. I'm surprised that legislation doesn't dictate that the speed is displayed clearly in front of the driver.
Its not an oversight, but if you really must have an additional display you can buy one from about £30 on amazon.
EddieSteadyGo said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I didn't realise Tesla no longer sold a performance version of the 3
...
That is literally about to change in the next day or so. All the big content creators were on a launch day a few weeks ago for the new Model 3 performance. It has circa 600bhp. Apparently they are already been produced in volume at their Shanghai factory. Global announcement should be very soon....
No doubt it'll be atleast £700pm on SS though.
skylarking808 said:
Would be interesting to compare the number of speeding tickets for Tesla owners compared to ICE cars
They’re usually crawling along at 60 in the middle lane (presumably to avoid another hour’s stop at the next Unwelcome Break), can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen anything electric making decent progress for more than a sprint to the next exit.NomduJour said:
skylarking808 said:
Would be interesting to compare the number of speeding tickets for Tesla owners compared to ICE cars
They’re usually crawling along at 60 in the middle lane (presumably to avoid another hour’s stop at the next Unwelcome Break), can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen anything electric making decent progress for more than a sprint to the next exit.
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