24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
CoolHands said:
he was guilty both phones were in his house. He now appears to realise what an idiot he was for previously wanting to be a hard man. Narrow escape.
I didn't follow the trial at all but it did seem that they placed a lot of emphasis on the cell towers the phones were attached to, thereby proving that it was him who called the hitman.I doubt the cell geolocation is an exact science and it can't conclusively prove that the phones were in his house as opposed to just outside it, possibly used by someone else, etc; an element of doubt that a barrister would be able to exploit during the trial and hammer home to the jury.
Good episode though, look forward to the next one.
essayer said:
CoolHands said:
he was guilty both phones were in his house. He now appears to realise what an idiot he was for previously wanting to be a hard man. Narrow escape.
I didn't follow the trial at all but it did seem that they placed a lot of emphasis on the cell towers the phones were attached to, thereby proving that it was him who called the hitman.I doubt the cell geolocation is an exact science and it can't conclusively prove that the phones were in his house as opposed to just outside it, possibly used by someone else, etc; an element of doubt that a barrister would be able to exploit during the trial and hammer home to the jury.
Good episode though, look forward to the next one.
VEIGHT said:
Can anyone comment on the performance of the police? I thought they did well in interview (from my zero knowledge) would be good to know if they were good or bad from someone in the know!
This is PH. If anyone 'in the know' comments they usually receive a barrage of abuse from the usual suspects telling them they are arrogant. From my point of view tons of work (that you didn't see) and a good interview combatted by defence solicitor with no morals (who I guarantee will be used by every member of local criminal gangs) . Court verdicts are a lottery. I don't think they could have done anything more
Elroy Blue said:
This is PH. If anyone 'in the know' comments they usually receive a barrage of abuse from the usual suspects telling them they are arrogant. From my point of view tons of work (that you didn't see) and a good interview combatted by defence solicitor with no morals (who I guarantee will be used by every member of local criminal gangs) .
Court verdicts are a lottery. I don't think they could have done anything more
What a load of rubbish! What an arrogant thing to say Court verdicts are a lottery. I don't think they could have done anything more
Seriously thanks for the insight. I didn't really rate that solictor, is that the best he could come up with?
On another note, watching police programs I have always thought of the revenge side of things of the suspect to the policeman that aressted them. Is this common place or something thats a worry to police when interviewing criminals? It must be in the back of the mind?
In all the years I've been in the job, I've only had one that worried me. He made persistent threats to me and my family and was trying to find where I lived. He eventually got banged up for a period and I didn't hear anything again. Having said that, a colleague was particularly active (and successful) against residents of a certain caravan site. They turned up mob handed one night at his home and smashed his house and car up. He left the job shortly after.
That was one of the best programs I've seen for a while, I was hooked after the first minute.
I thought the police did very well and slowly revealed their hand applying more and more pressure, the solicitor was right to advise that he said "nowt" and TBH I thought he was bang to rights.
But of course convincing me is totally different to convincing a jury when the defence will be shovelling in the "doubt".
I still think for what it's worth that he was involved but it's all about proof, some pretty heavy sentences handed out as well which was good to see.
I thought the police did very well and slowly revealed their hand applying more and more pressure, the solicitor was right to advise that he said "nowt" and TBH I thought he was bang to rights.
But of course convincing me is totally different to convincing a jury when the defence will be shovelling in the "doubt".
I still think for what it's worth that he was involved but it's all about proof, some pretty heavy sentences handed out as well which was good to see.
'Moobs', grassed the rest up. end of.
Brilliant seeing him squirming.
Notice the little face off with 'Vegas' calling him a funny man. just a hint of sinister about that too.
He did look like he had aids at the end after being starved of his 'protein shakes'.
Also how greasy was that brief in his Merc with the ridiculous number plate.
Great program.
Brilliant seeing him squirming.
Notice the little face off with 'Vegas' calling him a funny man. just a hint of sinister about that too.
He did look like he had aids at the end after being starved of his 'protein shakes'.
Also how greasy was that brief in his Merc with the ridiculous number plate.
Great program.
For me, he revealed his true character when he was charged and gave "Mr Vegas" a death stare coupled with the "funny guy" comment.
Having not seen all the evidence, it's hard to say whether he was guilty or not. However, the cell location evidence seemed pretty straightforward. Is it really plausible that the other defendant stood outside his house to make a call to the killer? Don't think so.
Changing stories like he did was also a sure sign of guilt. He definitely knew about the other phone from the start of the interview. How could he have forgotten about the phone he lent to his brother-in-law who now just happened to be in the frame for murder?
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the weight loss was a deliberate ploy to get more sympathy from the jury. It shouldn't play a part but he did look like an intimidating criminal when being interviewed. Not so much by the end of the show/trial.
Great TV though. Will definitely be watching the rest of the series.
Having not seen all the evidence, it's hard to say whether he was guilty or not. However, the cell location evidence seemed pretty straightforward. Is it really plausible that the other defendant stood outside his house to make a call to the killer? Don't think so.
Changing stories like he did was also a sure sign of guilt. He definitely knew about the other phone from the start of the interview. How could he have forgotten about the phone he lent to his brother-in-law who now just happened to be in the frame for murder?
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the weight loss was a deliberate ploy to get more sympathy from the jury. It shouldn't play a part but he did look like an intimidating criminal when being interviewed. Not so much by the end of the show/trial.
Great TV though. Will definitely be watching the rest of the series.
Those slating the Solicitor are wrong. He reminded me of my favourite solicitor. He was perfectly civil with the police, he DIDN"T interrupt the interview (some do) and he had the best interests of his client at heart. The Solicitors job is to do the best he can for his client. He isn't there to make sure justice is done. If I was in the area and needed a criminal solicitor I'd like to remember his name.
Given that (I really shouldn't admit this on here) I've been interviewed for similarly serious offences in this manner before (things that can lead to life sentences), what you saw was very similar to how it is in real life. Not all of it, but most of it. His behaviour and twitching may mean he is guilty, but the stress and pressure you feel in those situations is incredible. You also didn't get a feeling for just how long those interviews go on for. Hour and hours. Breaks and then starting again. For a man his size the food he was given would not be able to sustain him. Overall there are all sorts of reasons why you, and a jury should not judge him on twitching there.
The Police did a good job. I think the interviewing DC was fine. I've found it's only CID who take the two officers interviewing approach. But then again, they are generally for the more serious or complicated crimes.
Oh - and the comment and the stare. He has spent hours being called a lier by that bloke, his life has been ripped apart. He is now being charged with something that could ruin his life, and someone is making light of it. What do you want him to do, laugh along and say good one.
Overall - he was probably guilty. But from past experiences I am not shocked he got off.
Given that (I really shouldn't admit this on here) I've been interviewed for similarly serious offences in this manner before (things that can lead to life sentences), what you saw was very similar to how it is in real life. Not all of it, but most of it. His behaviour and twitching may mean he is guilty, but the stress and pressure you feel in those situations is incredible. You also didn't get a feeling for just how long those interviews go on for. Hour and hours. Breaks and then starting again. For a man his size the food he was given would not be able to sustain him. Overall there are all sorts of reasons why you, and a jury should not judge him on twitching there.
The Police did a good job. I think the interviewing DC was fine. I've found it's only CID who take the two officers interviewing approach. But then again, they are generally for the more serious or complicated crimes.
Oh - and the comment and the stare. He has spent hours being called a lier by that bloke, his life has been ripped apart. He is now being charged with something that could ruin his life, and someone is making light of it. What do you want him to do, laugh along and say good one.
Overall - he was probably guilty. But from past experiences I am not shocked he got off.
VEIGHT said:
What a load of rubbish! What an arrogant thing to say
Seriously thanks for the insight. I didn't really rate that solictor, is that the best he could come up with?
On another note, watching police programs I have always thought of the revenge side of things of the suspect to the policeman that aressted them. Is this common place or something thats a worry to police when interviewing criminals? It must be in the back of the mind?
Three Met detectives recently claimed an underworld crime boss had taken a £1million contract out on them;Seriously thanks for the insight. I didn't really rate that solictor, is that the best he could come up with?
On another note, watching police programs I have always thought of the revenge side of things of the suspect to the policeman that aressted them. Is this common place or something thats a worry to police when interviewing criminals? It must be in the back of the mind?
http://beforeitsnews.com/scandals/2013/05/met-poli...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/law/article3762144.e...
(Originally in The Times but it's behind their paywall)
photosnob said:
Oh - and the comment and the stare. He has spent hours being called a lier by that bloke, his life has been ripped apart. He is now being charged with something that could ruin his life, and someone is making light of it. What do you want him to do, laugh along and say good one.
Good point - it could very well have been that.However, I was more inclined to think that after all the "no comments" his real personality could no longer be restrained.
Elroy Blue said:
In all the years I've been in the job, I've only had one that worried me. He made persistent threats to me and my family and was trying to find where I lived. He eventually got banged up for a period and I didn't hear anything again. Having said that, a colleague was particularly active (and successful) against residents of a certain caravan site. They turned up mob handed one night at his home and smashed his house and car up. He left the job shortly after.
Yes the "caravan club" are like the Corleone'sphotosnob said:
Those slating the Solicitor are wrong. He reminded me of my favourite solicitor. He was perfectly civil with the police, he DIDN"T interrupt the interview (some do) and he had the best interests of his client at heart. The Solicitors job is to do the best he can for his client. He isn't there to make sure justice is done. If I was in the area and needed a criminal solicitor I'd like to remember his name.
Given that (I really shouldn't admit this on here) I've been interviewed for similarly serious offences in this manner before (things that can lead to life sentences), what you saw was very similar to how it is in real life. Not all of it, but most of it. His behaviour and twitching may mean he is guilty, but the stress and pressure you feel in those situations is incredible. You also didn't get a feeling for just how long those interviews go on for. Hour and hours. Breaks and then starting again. For a man his size the food he was given would not be able to sustain him. Overall there are all sorts of reasons why you, and a jury should not judge him on twitching there.
The Police did a good job. I think the interviewing DC was fine. I've found it's only CID who take the two officers interviewing approach. But then again, they are generally for the more serious or complicated crimes.
Oh - and the comment and the stare. He has spent hours being called a lier by that bloke, his life has been ripped apart. He is now being charged with something that could ruin his life, and someone is making light of it. What do you want him to do, laugh along and say good one.
Overall - he was probably guilty. But from past experiences I am not shocked he got off.
THere is very little of honor among thieves especially when looking at life sentences, he co-operated, protein is available on the canteen list in clink, heavy duty steroids are harder to obtainGiven that (I really shouldn't admit this on here) I've been interviewed for similarly serious offences in this manner before (things that can lead to life sentences), what you saw was very similar to how it is in real life. Not all of it, but most of it. His behaviour and twitching may mean he is guilty, but the stress and pressure you feel in those situations is incredible. You also didn't get a feeling for just how long those interviews go on for. Hour and hours. Breaks and then starting again. For a man his size the food he was given would not be able to sustain him. Overall there are all sorts of reasons why you, and a jury should not judge him on twitching there.
The Police did a good job. I think the interviewing DC was fine. I've found it's only CID who take the two officers interviewing approach. But then again, they are generally for the more serious or complicated crimes.
Oh - and the comment and the stare. He has spent hours being called a lier by that bloke, his life has been ripped apart. He is now being charged with something that could ruin his life, and someone is making light of it. What do you want him to do, laugh along and say good one.
Overall - he was probably guilty. But from past experiences I am not shocked he got off.
andymc said:
THere is very little of honor among thieves especially when looking at life sentences, he co-operated, protein is available on the canteen list in clink, heavy duty steroids are harder to obtain
I'm well aware of what is available. I'm also aware that some prisons gyms are very very good. Not all, but some. Do you honestly think that he was just using protein? Getting roods in prions is possibly but not cheap. I'd also wager a good bet that his slimming down was something that was suggested to him by his solicitor. If you go in looking like you could knock out the whole England rugby team then you aren't going to get a sympathetic jury. Looking like a respectable family man would have helped.
Finally - of course he cooperated. I'd have done the same. His brother in law was probably already going down. I've been in similar positions to both him and the brother in law. It's not nice but sometimes you have to look after yourself.
One final point - this bloke HAD NEVER been arrested before. He wasn't a serious criminal. I know nothing about him or the story - but after spending years being a nasty person I can tell you that they only take DNA once. It's far too expensive to do every time. You just get fingerprints on livescan at every subsequent arrest.
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