24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
king stupid yoof patois thing which they all think makes them SOOOOO kewl 
CoolHands said:
edit sorry just understood what you mean. I am talking about (but didn't write down) educating them when they are 12, 13 years old - which is whet they (he) are already getting arrested for criminal damage. So at that point, and seeing what he's like' imagine teaching him in school.
But that's the point at which that he shouldn't be in school.At that age if the kids start to play up, the entire family unit should be placed in "care", the kids and parents assessed, and plans put in place for how to turn them back into functioning members of society, or throw them out of society if they are beyond saving.
However that involves investing money now on people most of the population considers to be "scum". In the hope that they will make the place a nicer place to live and pay taxes later.
But the public don't want to spend money on scum. Then because the scum know the rest of the population think they are scum, they take on the role that's expected, and act like scum.
Instead of committing to rehabilitation and sorting out problem families, we waste some cash doing nowhere near enough. We'd probably be better off doing nothing, waiting for a 2nd crime, and then locking them up indefinitely.
The "show" last night was titled "Mother's Pride". I think the take home from the "show" was the apparent difference in attitude between the parent-less cheeky chappy loveable rogue hard luck story kid and the older very much unlikeable kid and the apparent "concern" of the recovering alcoholic mother. I think the take home from the "show" was about parenting or more importantly a lack of.
CoolHands said:
Try teaching them. Goodluck - you can see what he was like with the desk sergeant. And a teacher has no handy cell he can cart him off too, you have to 'manage' his behaviour! Then he goes to period 2 and repeats again! Etc
I'm not suggesting that you teach people straight away. I'm saying that you need to have the opportunities for people to improve their lives and become a better version of themselves if they so wish. You also have to show people that there is a better life available to them. You do not do this by locking people up in awful conditions and dehumanising them. There is a poster on here called DerekSmith - he is an ex Police Officer who is far more educated on the statistics and evidence for this. He also has a son(?) who works in trying to curb the behaviour of young offenders. I like it when he talks about this topic - however like me I don't think he ever believes anything will change. Far too many idiots read the Daily Mail and get upset about things they don't understand for that to happen.
For reference - I used to be a bit like the guy who you are talking about in the video. I've had to be restrained with leg wraps and had multiple people take me into a cell before when I've decided to be difficult. I'm not saying that because I think I'm cool, I'm saying it because I now have a decent job (by my own low standards) and am a pretty normal member of society. I was slightly different though - for the most part I had a decent childhood, I worked and then got involved with some stuff that took me off the rails for a few years. I won't go into my story as it's boring and self indulgent. But I believe if I can be like that and become a functioning member of society again then most people can.
photosnob said:
CoolHands said:
Try teaching them. Goodluck - you can see what he was like with the desk sergeant. And a teacher has no handy cell he can cart him off too, you have to 'manage' his behaviour! Then he goes to period 2 and repeats again! Etc
I'm not suggesting that you teach people straight away. I'm saying that you need to have the opportunities for people to improve their lives and become a better version of themselves if they so wish. You also have to show people that there is a better life available to them. You do not do this by locking people up in awful conditions and dehumanising them. There is a poster on here called DerekSmith - he is an ex Police Officer who is far more educated on the statistics and evidence for this. He also has a son(?) who works in trying to curb the behaviour of young offenders. I like it when he talks about this topic - however like me I don't think he ever believes anything will change. Far too many idiots read the Daily Mail and get upset about things they don't understand for that to happen.
For reference - I used to be a bit like the guy who you are talking about in the video. I've had to be restrained with leg wraps and had multiple people take me into a cell before when I've decided to be difficult. I'm not saying that because I think I'm cool, I'm saying it because I now have a decent job (by my own low standards) and am a pretty normal member of society. I was slightly different though - for the most part I had a decent childhood, I worked and then got involved with some stuff that took me off the rails for a few years. I won't go into my story as it's boring and self indulgent. But I believe if I can be like that and become a functioning member of society again then most people can.
Zoobeef said:
They get 12 years of free education though. Just how much are we supposed to spend on these people that don't want to learn. Whereas those that are sensible and do have to pay?
That's the point... How much does it cost to lock people up? How much does it cost to support dysfunctional people with social workers, drug addiction, alcoholism and a host of other problems which statistically are likely to befall people like the bloke on the show? Everything costs money - the fact that they are unlikely to earn enough money to contribute to society is another cost. The damage they do to themselves (mostly) and others has a cost. You invest the money and try and cut off the problem. It won't work for everyone. A good friend of mine is a psychiatrist. I said that they should push drug and alcohol treatment on more people. He pointed out how ineffective it was for people who actually wanted the help. But you have to try. Locking people up has never worked. Never. So we need to try something new.
It's the Gaurdian to will be laughed at... But: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/nor...
This says the same thing: http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-s...
FredClogs said:
The "show" last night was titled "Mother's Pride". I think the take home from the "show" was the apparent difference in attitude between the parent-less cheeky chappy loveable rogue hard luck story kid and the older very much unlikeable kid and the apparent "concern" of the recovering alcoholic mother. I think the take home from the "show" was about parenting or more importantly a lack of.
The mother had what ive heard called 'an un-natural affect display'. She was smiling and laughing when telling us how unpleasant she used to be.I suspect rat-boy is as proud of his ability to irritate authority figures, as his mum was.
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