24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[berlintaxi]

markmullen said:

Although the end result of the vigilante's actions was a good one I was concerned that their actions in publicising the video before he'd been convicted would prejudice a trial which could mean their targets got away with it.

Their website claims 23 arrests, 7 convictions, any idea how that conviction rate stands up with normal policing?

[anonymous-user]

berlintaxi said:

markmullen said:

Although the end result of the vigilante's actions was a good one I was concerned that their actions in publicising the video before he'd been convicted would prejudice a trial which could mean their targets got away with it.

Their website claims 23 arrests, 7 convictions, any idea how that conviction rate stands up with normal policing?

Not sure in "normal policing" but in South Yorkshire it would probably be a 100% clear up rate

[CoolHands]

I don't like it. I almost think the police should actively not investigate anyone that's brought to them like this as it just encourages them. Look at the capacity for entrapment. Plus who knows if that fat fker would've actually done anything if he wasn't led on by the blond big-tits woman. The vigilantes are getting their titillation just as the perverts are, so who's worse.

[VolvoT5]

CoolHands said:

I don't like it. I almost think the police should actively not investigate anyone that's brought to them like this as it just encourages them. Look at the capacity for entrapment. Plus who knows if that fat fker would've actually done anything if he wasn't led on by the blond big-tits woman. The vigilantes are getting their titillation just as the perverts are, so who's worse.

Exactly. For some reason the kind of hysterical vigilantism kind of reminds me of the Monkey Dust "Paedofinder General" sketches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTqDSMv0OLY

[rohrl]

The way the vigilantes snatched the second guy's phone off him and prevented him from leaving the area was troubling to me. They're not the police and they don't have powers to detain anyone or seize their property.

[thismonkeyhere]

The main thing I have learned from watching this programme:

Stay the fk away from Luton.

The end.

[rohrl]

Tommy "Stephen Yaxley-Lennon" Robinson is in this week's episode.

"Tommy Robinson, the founder of the English Defence League, is held in Luton police station following a vicious assault on a Muslim man."

[CoolHands]

I wish they'd just follow normal murders etc now we're going to get an edl person using it as a stage like the pedo hunters.

Prefer the original series ie where they pinned down that asian bloke through the use of their mobile phones etc.

[youngsyr]

CoolHands said:

I don't like it. I almost think the police should actively not investigate anyone that's brought to them like this as it just encourages them. Look at the capacity for entrapment. Plus who knows if that fat fker would've actually done anything if he wasn't led on by the blond big-tits woman. The vigilantes are getting their titillation just as the perverts are, so who's worse.

That "fat fcker" had over two hundred images/videos of extreme child pornography on his computer. That in itself is a serious crime.

I agree to some extent though, I find it hard to believe that even a 12 year old would be interested in meeting him, given his "chat up lines" and appearance.

Can anyone remember what the actual offences he was convicted of were? Surely nothing to do with grooming or meeting a 12 year old, because there was no 12 year old involved?

[Munter]

youngsyr said:

Can anyone remember what the actual offences he was convicted of were? Surely nothing to do with grooming or meeting a 12 year old, because there was no 12 year old involved?

So long as he believed the other person was 12 I don't think that matters. He's still guilty of grooming assuming he leads the conversation places it shouldn't go with a 12 year old he believes he's talking too. Which from what was read out in the interview he did.

[youngsyr]

Munter said:

youngsyr said:

Can anyone remember what the actual offences he was convicted of were? Surely nothing to do with grooming or meeting a 12 year old, because there was no 12 year old involved?

So long as he believed the other person was 12 I don't think that matters. He's still guilty of grooming assuming he leads the conversation places it shouldn't go with a 12 year old he believes he's talking too. Which from what was read out in the interview he did.

That's a bit bonkers though, isn't it? The adult female who was on the other side of the conversation was clearly continuing the conversation with the aim of the guy exposing his paedophilic tendencies. To my mind there is a big question as to who was grooming whom, not to mention, where is the victim?

[Munter]

youngsyr said:

Munter said:

youngsyr said:

Can anyone remember what the actual offences he was convicted of were? Surely nothing to do with grooming or meeting a 12 year old, because there was no 12 year old involved?

So long as he believed the other person was 12 I don't think that matters. He's still guilty of grooming assuming he leads the conversation places it shouldn't go with a 12 year old he believes he's talking too. Which from what was read out in the interview he did.

That's a bit bonkers though, isn't it? The adult female who was on the other side of the conversation was clearly continuing the conversation with the aim of the guy exposing his paedophilic tendencies. To my mind there is a big question as to who was grooming whom, not to mention, where is the victim?

That's the problem with what the hunter types do. It can be them leading him on and then the whole thing falls down and the suspect is out the door to walk free. But with what they read out in the interview, he was pushing the "girl" to go places in the conversation without the "girl" leading him.

You don't have to have a victim for many crimes. If I decide to try and hire a hitman. But end up meeting a policeman in a sting. While they may have no idea who I was planning on having killed, I'm still going to court and probably prison.

[Parsnip]

CoolHands said:

I wish they'd just follow normal murders etc now we're going to get an edl person using it as a stage like the pedo hunters.

Prefer the original series ie where they pinned down that asian bloke through the use of their mobile phones etc.

Exactly this.

They have never topped that murder episode - actual real police work and on the edge of your seat stuff that shows the police as a well drilled and intelligent machine - rather than last weeks one (to use a single example) to show them as dumber than a pair of "pedo hunters" and more judgemental than a bible group.

[Noodle1982]

What if.......the paedo hunters arent actually paedo hunters and it's all just a cover up? What if they are sat at their screen wking themselves into oblivion getting their sexual kicks out of pretending to be a 12yr old girl while an old man talks dirty to them?

[Bluedot]

Parsnip said:

They have never topped that murder episode - actual real police work and on the edge of your seat stuff that shows the police as a well drilled and intelligent machine

It's still very much a watchable series, I don't watch an awful lot of TV but I do make a point of watching this when it's on.
Agree 100% though that nothing has topped that initial murder episode one. I wonder if that particular one just took to much time & effort to film and produce so they've had to scale back for the other episodes ?

[Legacywr]

Looks like another good episode!

[Bring on the clowns]

I just wonder if people like this woman ever stop to think about how embarrassing they will look when the film hits the tv screens? Imagine being related to her...

[Laurel Green]

The mum must be a former member of the Alf Garnett charm school.

[Munter]

Jesus. You leave school and you assume people like that grow up and stop fighting against anybody in authority. But apparently...no.

I half feel people that thick should be locked up for their own safety.

[chilistrucker]

Bluedot said:

Parsnip said:

They have never topped that murder episode - actual real police work and on the edge of your seat stuff that shows the police as a well drilled and intelligent machine

It's still very much a watchable series, I don't watch an awful lot of TV but I do make a point of watching this when it's on.
Agree 100% though that nothing has topped that initial murder episode one. I wonder if that particular one just took to much time & effort to film and produce so they've had to scale back for the other episodes ?

Same here.
If anyone is interested i'd say, 'The First 48' is well worth a watch. It is an American show but I think its done well and does exactly what it says on the tin.