24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[PurpleTurtle]

thismonkeyhere said:

markmullen said:

Although the end result of the vigilante's actions was a good one I was concerned that their actions in publicising the video before he'd been convicted would prejudice a trial which could mean their targets got away with it.

Indeed. No matter how disgusting the apparent crime, or how 'open and shut' the case might appear to our vigilante types, he is still innocent until proven guilty.

Also, it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that one day they could confront the wrong guy through mistaken identity, or even account hacking etc - could completely destroy someone's life without reason.

It was quite clear that they just want the glory and credit, without any real thought to the above.

As you were saying ....

Man found dead just days after arrest on suspicion of child grooming

http://dailym.ai/1UiT4XN

[andymc]

FunkyChucker said:

Munter said:

5 years? I'd have wanted 25 for the witness intimidation, and at least 10 more for the firearm.

5 years is nothing to a nutter like that.

Looks like the robbery charge didn't stick either, 5 years was for assault.

was the firearm charge not upheld? plus a third off for pleading guilty

[Charlie1986]

andymc said:

was the firearm charge not upheld? plus a third off for pleading guilty

the 5 years was the firearm charge the one other got dropped and one was put on file unless i miss heard

[youngsyr]

Charlie1986 said:

andymc said:

was the firearm charge not upheld? plus a third off for pleading guilty

the 5 years was the firearm charge the one other got dropped and one was put on file unless i miss heard

I thought it was the firearm charge that was put "on file" (whatever the hell that means).

[jbudgie]

youngsyr said:

Charlie1986 said:

andymc said:

was the firearm charge not upheld? plus a third off for pleading guilty

the 5 years was the firearm charge the one other got dropped and one was put on file unless i miss heard

I thought it was the firearm charge that was put "on file" (whatever the hell that means).

It means that it wouldn't add to the sentence in this case, but can be resurrected later (for sentencing purposes)if he is up before the court again.

[anonymous-user]

Intimidating witnesses was put on file I believe.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 3rd June 21:08

[andymc]

so 8 or so years for the firearm and robbery and a third credit?

[youngsyr]

andymc said:

so 8 or so years for the firearm and robbery and a third credit?

Absolutely bonkers considering that it was his second firearms conviction.

People like him need to be taken off the street permanently.

[andymc]

im apalled at the third off for an early plea when you're 100% bang to rights

[youngsyr]

andymc said:

im apalled at the third off for an early plea when you're 100% bang to rights

To be fair, it stills saves the system considerable time and money in having to go to trial and does away of any possibility of Mr Cock Up knocking at the door and the guy walking on a technicality.

[jbudgie]

youngsyr said:

andymc said:

so 8 or so years for the firearm and robbery and a third credit?

Absolutely bonkers considering that it was his second firearms conviction.

People like him need to be taken off the street permanently.

Death penalty ? --too many against, I'm afraid.

[JimmyConwayNW]

Did the female get any charges that had blatantly set up the guy in the hotel to get his Hublot (fake) and Merc?

Bit more to that than story than was fully revealed I think.

[hungry_hog]

JimmyConwayNW said:

Did the female get any charges that had blatantly set up the guy in the hotel to get his Hublot (fake) and Merc?

Bit more to that than story than was fully revealed I think.

It did look like a honey trap.

Guessing the girl was picked up in a bar, suggests a local hotel for a bit of "hide the sausage" and the trap was sprung.

Sadly the scumbag will probably be out in 3 years

[footnote]

I was disappointed at how deferential the police were because of this guy's physical intimidation of them.

The whole @i'm gonna smack someone' really worked in terms of him getting 'respected'.

Yet when they had the mother and son accused of bigotry against their neighbours - Muslim/terrorist neighbour dispute episode - one of the segeants was phsically intimidating the mother - to the extent where the other sergeant suggested he stop and leave - (presumably so he didn't get himself into trouble on camera)

I'd like to have seen him try his pushing with the black lad

Gives out the message that the best way to get 'respect' from the police is to put them in fear.

[rohrl]

I had to smile at the lad who was arrested for domestic assault on his partner and her friend who told the investigating policeman "I would never hit a woman, you can ask my Dad".

Did he really think that his Dad's word would be enough to spring him from custody?

"Well thanks for that Mr Bloggs. As a result of your testimony I am satisfied that Johnny is a good boy who wouldn't hit a girl and always helps his Mum around the house. He is now free to go without a stain on his character"

[berlintaxi]

footnote said:

I was disappointed at how deferential the police were because of this guy's physical intimidation of them.

The whole @i'm gonna smack someone' really worked in terms of him getting 'respected'.

Yet when they had the mother and son accused of bigotry against their neighbours - Muslim/terrorist neighbour dispute episode - one of the segeants was phsically intimidating the mother - to the extent where the other sergeant suggested he stop and leave - (presumably so he didn't get himself into trouble on camera)

I'd like to have seen him try his pushing with the black lad

Gives out the message that the best way to get 'respect' from the police is to put them in fear.

I don't feel it came across like that at all, more a case of them treating him as you would a small child threatening a tantrum.

[Tom1312]

footnote said:

I was disappointed at how deferential the police were because of this guy's physical intimidation of them.

The whole @i'm gonna smack someone' really worked in terms of him getting 'respected'.

Yet when they had the mother and son accused of bigotry against their neighbours - Muslim/terrorist neighbour dispute episode - one of the segeants was phsically intimidating the mother - to the extent where the other sergeant suggested he stop and leave - (presumably so he didn't get himself into trouble on camera)

I'd like to have seen him try his pushing with the black lad

Gives out the message that the best way to get 'respect' from the police is to put them in fear.

I'd imagine experienced DCs and custody Sgts are probably happy to allow him to big himself up, gears him up nicely to brag about how bad he is in interview.

It's weird, but alot of this stuff is seriously considered and thought out in serious investigations.

[footnote]

Tom1312 said:

I'd imagine experienced DCs and custody Sgts are probably happy to allow him to big himself up, gears him up nicely to brag about how bad he is in interview.

It's weird, but alot of this stuff is seriously considered and thought out in serious investigations.

Totally agree. I've no doubt they were saving themselves and him a lot of trouble and pain.

The custody sergeant involved (I think he wears glasses - appears most weeks) seems to have a great ability to read and deal appropriately with people.

I think it just irked me because so much of 'justice' is about it being 'seen to be done' not just being done.

When I see big coppers pushing little women around, because they can and it makes their lives easier, and not pushing feisty strong violent criminals around, even though they can but it won't make their lives easier... well, it just makes me feel that justice is not being seen to be done and people are not being treated equally.

There was a similar deference/respect thing with the EDL chap too. Their response was contolled by him.

If he'd been awkward they would probably have been awkward back.

But he knew the rules and played the game so they responded appropriately - but ultimately he was controlling their response.

Unlike with the wee woman - where they just shoved her about - albeit she was being very stroppy - the pushing about was unecessary and that's why one sergeant told the other one to remove himself.

[Tom1312]

The 'wee' woman if I recall was fairly heavy set!

It's not great. But don't forget the mantra 'my attitude affects your attitude etc' which when in custody, really does matter.

That lady was rude and abusive and I'd imagine you can't see it clearly on thr TV cameras, probably offering resistance. Even if only passive, they still require her to go to a cell. So a push is sort of the only means really.

Though it's also commendable in my opinion the other custody skipper jumped in as it's a brave person to identify and act upon a colleague losing their temper.

[footnote]

Ha ha - she was no pushover, for sure.

But equally, she didn't threaten to smack anyone.

She got pushed because she could be pushed with no fear of her pushing back.

If anyone had dared to accuse the armed gangster of threatening a police officer (and he did do that- on tape) and reprimand him for that - they would have got a smack and a good hard one for their efforts.

That's really why they didn't push him and why they pushed her.

The woman shouldn't have been pushed, the place was thronged with police. They neeed to lighten up and step back which is what the good custody sergeant advised - beofre the bad one ended up getting collared.