24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[Mr Trophy]

Serious question.

Once the "no guilty" has been announced. Do you think some solicitor will ever have a quiet word with their client and say, "well, did you do it"?

[andymc]

Mr Trophy said:

Serious question.

Once the "no guilty" has been announced. Do you think some solicitor will ever have a quiet word with their client and say, "well, did you do it"?

he'll have known all along as he will have facilitated any deal with the CPS

[BillPeart]

photosnob said:

BillPeart said:

Go on then, did your favorite solicitor get you off when you were actually guilty by playing the system and his job well, or did he help you avoid a miscarriage of justice?

It doesn't matter does it. If I was guilty or innocent the solicitor should still give you advice that is in your best interests. Sometimes that is to plead guilty, sometimes it is to plead not guilty. Sometimes it is for you to give a no comment interview, sometimes a prepared statement, and sometimes to just answer the questions (rare).

A good solicitor just gives you advice which is in your best interests. They don't 'get you off'. They don't make up stories for you. And they don't falsify evidence. They are not supposed to lie for you - and they are not meant to give evidence to a court if you have told them it's not true.

With regards to someone above saying I'm not right (he's probably right) and asking if I'm living some sort of fantasy life. I'd only like to say that if I am I've set my standards pretty low, no flash cars, at one point no job, and overweight asking about a detox. If thats what you think people aspire too then you have a different outlook to me.

I'm not the one who asked about an internet fantasy life.

I asked if your regard for a solicitor was informed by one (or more) having got you off form the serious crimes you alluded to, when you were (as asked?) guilty?

If you post references to having been arrested, interviewed or tried for crimes and comment on a familiarity with prison, you can only expect others to ask out of curiosity what you did and what kind of person is amidst us in PH internet land!

Edited by BillPeart on Tuesday 30th September 20:21

[Dr Jekyll]

How much of the 24 hours is typically used up waiting for a solicitor? Suppose you don't have a solicitor, do they let you go through the yellow pages?

[Mojooo]

Dr Jekyll said:

How much of the 24 hours is typically used up waiting for a solicitor? Suppose you don't have a solicitor, do they let you go through the yellow pages?

Duty solicitor comes - which can be a couple of hours

the 24 hours thing was nonsense anyway - the police can extend the time by another (number of hours I have forgotten) if authorised by an inspector and then a court - i think its a further 24 hours or something.

Also they forgot a little thing called bail which gives the Police more time to do further investigations.

[Dibble]

Mojooo said:

Duty solicitor comes - which can be a couple of hours

the 24 hours thing was nonsense anyway - the police can extend the time by another (number of hours I have forgotten) if authorised by an inspector and then a court - i think its a further 24 hours or something.

Also they forgot a little thing called bail which gives the Police more time to do further investigations.

"PACE" clock is 24 hours. Detention is reviewed at 6, 15 and 24 hours by the duty inspector. A superintendent can authorised an extension for up to 12 hours in certain circumstances. These are maximums. Anything above 36 hours has to be authorised by a magistrate. They can authorise a further 36 hours, then another application for up to 36 hours, but only to a maximum of 96 hours total. Inspector's reviews are every 9 hours during any period of further detention (supernintendo or magistrate).

The supers extension isn't a rubber stamp exercise either. You have to demonstrate why you need extra time, what you hope to achieve in the extra time and why it can't be done while the suspect is on bail. The same goes for the magistrates and warrants of further detention.

[Justin Cyder]

Devils advocate, but the brief is just doing his job no? I'm struggling to see where a moral dimension comes into it, a man is accused & he's entitled to be represented by a solicitor. Where's the problem? Or put it another way, where would the criminal justice system be if briefs walked off the job because their clients disgusted them?

[photosnob]

BillPeart said:

I'm not the one who asked about an internet fantasy life.

I asked if your regard for a solicitor was informed by one (or more) having got you off form the serious crimes you alluded to, when you were (as asked?) guilty?

If you post references to having been arrested, interviewed or tried for crimes and comment on a familiarity with prison, you can only expect others to ask out of curiosity what you did and what kind of person is amidst us in PH internet land!

Edited by BillPeart on Tuesday 30th September 20:21

Yes solicitors have helped me when I was guilty.

They have never made up stories for me. Sometimes they might have had an idea I was telling complete lies - but they still presented the case in the best way for me.

My only reason for posting in here is to give people the other side of the story. I've no interested in going over the details about my past.

[BigBazza]

I do wonder about your authenticity because just a few days ago, you said this;

photosnob said:

Between the ages of 15-21 I was incredibly fit and played sports to a high level.

For the last 10 years for various reasons which are mainly due to my own doing I've lost that. I've had a drinking problem, not a dribbling alcoholic but I have gone through a period where I drank 2/3 bottles of wine a night. Every night.

And only 3 months before that you said this;

lookingforajob said:

My background it uni dropout, then military, then labouring, then sales. And I'm mid 20's. If that helps.

Now I only got a C in my maths GCSE at the 2nd time of trying so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe its all that wine but this, coupled with all the mystery about being arrested for a SERIOUS crime (although just a couple of months ago you were on about wearing a suit for court for a speeding offence), being in the army, travelling the world, having a drinking problem along with myriad other shady things in your past which you NEVER want to talk about......it just doesn't seem to add up

[Lost soul]

Busted

[Justin Cyder]

photosnob said:

Between the ages of 15-21 I was incredibly fit and played sports to a high level.
For the last 10 years...

lookingforajob said:

I'm mid 20's. If that helps.

I make that definitely aged between 31 & 25.

[photosnob]

BigBazza said:

I do wonder about your authenticity because just a few days ago, you said this;

photosnob said:

Between the ages of 15-21 I was incredibly fit and played sports to a high level.

For the last 10 years for various reasons which are mainly due to my own doing I've lost that. I've had a drinking problem, not a dribbling alcoholic but I have gone through a period where I drank 2/3 bottles of wine a night. Every night.

And only 3 months before that you said this;

lookingforajob said:

My background it uni dropout, then military, then labouring, then sales. And I'm mid 20's. If that helps.

Now I only got a C in my maths GCSE at the 2nd time of trying so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe its all that wine but this, coupled with all the mystery about being arrested for a SERIOUS crime (although just a couple of months ago you were on about wearing a suit for court for a speeding offence), being in the army, travelling the world, having a drinking problem along with myriad other shady things in your past which you NEVER want to talk about......it just doesn't seem to add up

I'm not really sure what your point is. Either I have done that stuff or I'm making it up. For the most part I don't really care.

I would definitely wear a suit for court - always have and always will. Did do when I got 6 points for speeding, and would do so again in the same circumstances. You must have a very misguided view of the judicial system if you think everyone who's been arrested turns up in their favourite track suit.

As for everything else - there is some stuff people will be willing to share on the internet and some stuff people won't. I have my own reasons for doing so. It's up to you what you believe. Your fascination with my PNC record is a bit strange.

[BigBazza]

Great come back - make ME look weird.....haha

Carry on, don't mind me.

I enjoyed the Walter Mitty films.

[photosnob]

BigBazza said:

Great come back - make ME look weird.....haha

Carry on, don't mind me.

I enjoyed the Walter Mitty films.

Okay - as you seem to have a hard on for me, I'm willing to appease you.

I'd be willing to send certain documentation which would back up what I am saying to a valued member of the forum (there are a few who I think I would trust). If I can do that (should be able to get a printout of my plc from police station), would you be willing to put your money where you mouth is? Lets say £100 to charity. I'd have the expense of getting the printout, but for a good cause I'd be willing to do that.

Obviously you would have to confirm which details about me you feel uneasy about. I can easily prove my military service, and the police stuff. Sporting stuff might be a bit harder, unless you would accept old awards. I can even copy my scan my passport to show I went travelling.

If you are happy with that, then I'm sure we could agree a member (if they were willing). Seems like a win win. A charity gets some money, and your fears are allayed that I might be pretending to be something I am not on your favourite forum. Obviously if I fail to do that, or cannot I look ridiculous (which I'm not sure if much of a punishment given no one on here knows who I am). And if I do and you fail to pay the money to charity you look like a sour tight fisted loser - but again that's not much of a problem as it's the internet world and not real life.

What do you think?

[BigBazza]

What would be loads easier, quicker and far less hassle for everyone would just be to explain the difference in ages you claim to be and what were the circumstances of the serious charge you were facing?

[photosnob]

BigBazza said:

What would be loads easier, quicker and far less hassle for everyone would just be to explain the difference in ages you claim to be and what were the circumstances of the serious charge you were facing?

So your real interest is my age (none of your business) and the circumstances surrounding why I have been arrested (again none of your business).

You have tried to be clever and make a point. If you believe I'm making stuff up put your money where your mouth is. If you are not willing too then get a life.

[BigBazza]

I think you've made a fool of yourself. I'll leave it there. Thanks

[andymc]

photosnob said:

BigBazza said:

Great come back - make ME look weird.....haha

Carry on, don't mind me.

I enjoyed the Walter Mitty films.

Okay - as you seem to have a hard on for me, I'm willing to appease you.

I'd be willing to send certain documentation which would back up what I am saying to a valued member of the forum (there are a few who I think I would trust). If I can do that (should be able to get a printout of my plc from police station), would you be willing to put your money where you mouth is? Lets say £100 to charity. I'd have the expense of getting the printout, but for a good cause I'd be willing to do that.

Obviously you would have to confirm which details about me you feel uneasy about. I can easily prove my military service, and the police stuff. Sporting stuff might be a bit harder, unless you would accept old awards. I can even copy my scan my passport to show I went travelling.

If you are happy with that, then I'm sure we could agree a member (if they were willing). Seems like a win win. A charity gets some money, and your fears are allayed that I might be pretending to be something I am not on your favourite forum. Obviously if I fail to do that, or cannot I look ridiculous (which I'm not sure if much of a punishment given no one on here knows who I am). And if I do and you fail to pay the money to charity you look like a sour tight fisted loser - but again that's not much of a problem as it's the internet world and not real life.

What do you think?

I think if you were up on an accessory to murder charge I'd be keeping it to myself, I did and I'm Kenny Noye

[photosnob]

BigBazza said:

I think you've made a fool of yourself. I'll leave it there. Thanks

So just to confirm. You are not willing to put your money where your mouth is. You are not willing to stand by your relief and possibly gift £100 to a good charity to make your point. You are in fact just a spineless little coward who enjoys gobbing off on the internet, which amusingly is what you were trying to accuse me of doing.

Gutted you think I've made a fool of myself. You might not know me, or even my age - but I'm sure that if I ever met you I'd value your opinion greatly.

[BigBazza]

You're absolutely hilarious. I don't care how old you are, I just wanted you to choose an age, any age.