Speed with Guy Martin - new series
Discussion
Mattygooner said:
They clearly do not have massive budgets
define massive?shooting the final runs over 2 days with helo-cam*, safety crew, OB staff, closing the road, paying to line the corners with safety barriers, etc etc is hardly the budget of peanuts.
- looked like an AS350 Squirrel, nice and cheap to rent - NOT!
Pethaps there is scope to produce the program in the format they have plus do a sort of extended version for those intersted in the engineering. A bit like the David Attenborough 'Life on Eart' prgrammes where they did a 'making of' section at the end on how the various bits were filmed.
Speed XL with Guy Martin type of thing.
I'd watch it and I know a few who would but I know many who wouldn't.
If it was made correctly it could draw in people not ncessarily interested in engineering and help to educate.
Maybe there's scope to involve members of the public - do the build of various machines over a period and have a voting system (by premium rate phone line of course) for additions to the equipment or choosing between several solutions.
(Please, please, please don't let that last bit happen)
Speed XL with Guy Martin type of thing.
I'd watch it and I know a few who would but I know many who wouldn't.
If it was made correctly it could draw in people not ncessarily interested in engineering and help to educate.
Maybe there's scope to involve members of the public - do the build of various machines over a period and have a voting system (by premium rate phone line of course) for additions to the equipment or choosing between several solutions.
(Please, please, please don't let that last bit happen)
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, we should all go back to mindless TV drivel like Strictly instead of discussing a program that's there with an obvious aim to get people interested in UK engineering as well as entertain.
The budget thing doesn't wash, the universities have resources most small engineering teams would kill for, and the materials and work that went into the tub for this and the tandem project supports that, it's not a matter of budget at all - you could have made a faster cart with less budget than they used in the last episode quite easily for example, fairing the wheels could have been done for less money than a case of that bottled water cost.
I enjoy my TV when it's engaging me and making me think, not when it just something to watch and let my mind melt until I head off to bed, I enjoy that, so kindly refrain from telling me I shouldn't.
Do point out where i said you shouldn't and where i said you should just watch drivel, you are getting offended where none is given. I simply stated an opinion, something you have clearly said you are allowed to do on this open forum.The budget thing doesn't wash, the universities have resources most small engineering teams would kill for, and the materials and work that went into the tub for this and the tandem project supports that, it's not a matter of budget at all - you could have made a faster cart with less budget than they used in the last episode quite easily for example, fairing the wheels could have been done for less money than a case of that bottled water cost.
I enjoy my TV when it's engaging me and making me think, not when it just something to watch and let my mind melt until I head off to bed, I enjoy that, so kindly refrain from telling me I shouldn't.
Please do show me their budget and the time allocation for the team included in these projects before making assumptions that they had loads of money/time to throw at it, until then you are just making assumptions.
Mattygooner said:
Please do show me their budget and the time allocation for the team included in these projects before making assumptions that they had loads of money/time to throw at it, until then you are just making assumptions.
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub? You're seriously telling me they could put that in the budget and not a sheet of plastic/carboard and some scissors? Or a suspension system that would have take LESS time, money and effort?
Scuffers said:
Mattygooner said:
They clearly do not have massive budgets
define massive?shooting the final runs over 2 days with helo-cam*, safety crew, OB staff, closing the road, paying to line the corners with safety barriers, etc etc is hardly the budget of peanuts.
- looked like an AS350 Squirrel, nice and cheap to rent - NOT!
MC Bodge said:
Kitchski said:
Only on PH could a few comments made about a program on Ch4 be spun into assumptions about people's entire lives!
No, not individuals, but what I wrote is correct. Some people do and some people don't ask "why?".if people who are interested want to discuss it and maybe learn something why shouldn't they? Why would other people be so bothered as to complain about it?
The programme is prompting debate about engineering. That is a good thing.
I completely agree that anything that prompts people to become interested in engineering and talk about it is a good thing, which is one of the reasons these programmes are such a good thing to have. If they went it at a high technical level, they'd probably alienate a lot of people, which would be a massive fail for a production company.
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, it just seems like there's a lot of negativity kicking around (and I'm a pessimistic f
ker at the best of times) and I'm not completely convinced some of it isn't just willy-waving and one upmanship. But then maybe I'm applying what goes in on 90% of PH sub-forums to this one, and getting the wrong result?
Scuffers said:
define massive?
shooting the final runs over 2 days with helo-cam*, safety crew, OB staff, closing the road, paying to line the corners with safety barriers, etc etc is hardly the budget of peanuts.
And now define a budget!shooting the final runs over 2 days with helo-cam*, safety crew, OB staff, closing the road, paying to line the corners with safety barriers, etc etc is hardly the budget of peanuts.
- looked like an AS350 Squirrel, nice and cheap to rent - NOT!
You have a certain amount of money in order to complete a project, you have to divide that budget accordingly, you may spend huge amounts on a carbon tub and safety barriers to not kill Guy and the TV company may stipulate you need a helicopter for the required footage for the show, which leaves you with X amount to do the other bits. As i said, you are making assumptions without actually knowing how much money they had to spend. This is clearly not a blank cheque project.
Scuffers said:
As an example of this, look and the working life of Eric Brown, clearly not lacking in bravery, but still alive because of his meticulous preparation before every test-flight and ability to deal with issues as they came up, in his day, being gung-ho got you killed pretty quickly.
There's a slightly larger than small jump between rolling down a hill in a kart with four bike wheels and experimental test-flying!
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub?
You're seriously telling me they could put that in the budget and not a sheet of plastic/carboard and some scissors? Or a suspension system that would have take LESS time, money and effort?
See above for the budget issues.You're seriously telling me they could put that in the budget and not a sheet of plastic/carboard and some scissors? Or a suspension system that would have take LESS time, money and effort?
Perhaps they looked at other suspension systems and they were not economical or their gains not justifiable, same with covering the wheels. Again, it was a 40 minute show covering 6 months of work by very busy people.
Mattygooner said:
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub?
You're seriously telling me they could put that in the budget and not a sheet of plastic/carboard and some scissors? Or a suspension system that would have take LESS time, money and effort?
See above for the budget issues.You're seriously telling me they could put that in the budget and not a sheet of plastic/carboard and some scissors? Or a suspension system that would have take LESS time, money and effort?
Perhaps they looked at other suspension systems and they were not economical or their gains not justifiable, same with covering the wheels. Again, it was a 40 minute show covering 6 months of work by very busy people.
so, just how much do you think that carbon-work costs?
and what's your estimate for their build budget was?
Scuffers said:
LOL!
so, just how much do you think that carbon-work costs?
and what's your estimate for their build budget was?
LOL, i have no idea what the budget it, and neither do you, a total amount of money needs to be divided up and spent where it is most important, a carbon tub to protect the host probably higher up the list than bottled water for balast and thus needs a higher investment. they may have had a deal with the supplier whereby exposure on national TV meant a reduced cost for the tub, you dont know.so, just how much do you think that carbon-work costs?
and what's your estimate for their build budget was?
The bottom line is, none knows their budget and what they had to spend, so dont assume they could have done this or that without knowing.
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub?
No, and neither did you or anyone else. He went to the factory, saw a 3D design on the screen with the MD (I think) briefly explaining what they'd done before sitting inside a half and saying it was a good fit. That was pretty much it until we saw it fitted to the chassis.They made no mention of the time or effort used to design/make the tub.
Who knows what sponsorship deals, favours, freebies or ex-gratia work gets arranged behind the scenes?
It could be that the Carbon Fibre skin was simply offered and there were no cost considerations in choosing it. We simply don't know.
Edit:
Likewise, the use of University students could be because the Uni funded them as work experience / final year project / Club project / whatever and so they were essentially free. Again, we simply don't know what was charged at market rate, what was charged at cost, and what was not charged for at all.
It could be that the Carbon Fibre skin was simply offered and there were no cost considerations in choosing it. We simply don't know.
Edit:
Likewise, the use of University students could be because the Uni funded them as work experience / final year project / Club project / whatever and so they were essentially free. Again, we simply don't know what was charged at market rate, what was charged at cost, and what was not charged for at all.
Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th November 15:22
Mattygooner said:
LOL, i have no idea what the budget it, and neither do you, a total amount of money needs to be divided up and spent where it is most important, a carbon tub to protect the host probably higher up the list than bottled water for balast and thus needs a higher investment. they may have had a deal with the supplier whereby exposure on national TV meant a reduced cost for the tub, you dont know.
The bottom line is, none knows their budget and what they had to spend, so dont assume they could have done this or that without knowing.
I wonder what order they built & filmed the episodes? Maybe they overspent on the gravity racer & tandem and thats why the hovercraft was such a lash up compared to the others.The bottom line is, none knows their budget and what they had to spend, so dont assume they could have done this or that without knowing.
Antony Moxey said:
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub?
No, and neither did you or anyone else. He went to the factory, saw a 3D design on the screen with the MD (I think) briefly explaining what they'd done before sitting inside a half and saying it was a good fit. That was pretty much it until we saw it fitted to the chassis.They made no mention of the time or effort used to design/make the tub.
Look, makes no odds if they got everything FOC, makes no odds to the points being made.
Like I said before, if I was Sheffield Hallam, I would want to be represented somewhat better than this.
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