Speed with Guy Martin - new series

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MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Pickled said:
I wonder what order they built & filmed the episodes? Maybe they overspent on the gravity racer & tandem and thats why the hovercraft was such a lash up compared to the others.
What about Pikes Peak?

Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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MC Bodge said:
What about Pikes Peak?
Wasn't the bike for that already purchased by Guy a few years ago?

Mattygooner

5,301 posts

203 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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JonRB said:
Who knows what sponsorship deals, favours, freebies or ex-gratia work gets arranged behind the scenes?
It could be that the Carbon Fibre skin was simply offered and there were no cost considerations in choosing it. We simply don't know.

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Likewise, the use of University students could be because the Uni funded them as work experience / final year project / Club project / whatever and so they were essentially free. Again, we simply don't know what was charged at market rate, what was charged at cost, and what was not charged for at all.


Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th November 15:22
Exactly, no one knows, apart from Scuffers obviously....

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Mattygooner said:
JonRB said:
Who knows what sponsorship deals, favours, freebies or ex-gratia work gets arranged behind the scenes?
It could be that the Carbon Fibre skin was simply offered and there were no cost considerations in choosing it. We simply don't know.

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Likewise, the use of University students could be because the Uni funded them as work experience / final year project / Club project / whatever and so they were essentially free. Again, we simply don't know what was charged at market rate, what was charged at cost, and what was not charged for at all.
Exactly, no one knows, apart from Scuffers obviously....
so, CNC time, CAD work, and CF are all free?

No, I don't know exactly what the costs were, but I think it;s pretty safe to say it's not peanuts!


Mattygooner

5,301 posts

203 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Scuffers said:
so, CNC time, CAD work, and CF are all free?

No, I don't know exactly what the costs were, but I think it;s pretty safe to say it's not peanuts!
Where exactly has anyone said it is free, just take a minute to read what people are writing, what i am saying is that you do not know what the budget was, what the allocation per show was, what they budgeted for the vital parts such as carbon, and in particular, Guy's safety should he fly off the mountain backwards.

No one has said it was peanuts, just pure and simply that you do not know what their budget was so do not base it on the fact that some elements were expensive as you can clearly see that some elements were not. You do not know what deals were done and, as explained, that Uni's were providing their talented staff to help as part of a project.

I am out, you are literally arguing with yourself.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Mattygooner said:
Where exactly has anyone said it is free, just take a minute to read what people are writing, what i am saying is that you do not know what the budget was, what the allocation per show was, what they budgeted for the vital parts such as carbon, and in particular, Guy's safety should he fly off the mountain backwards.
and what does a thin CF skin on the chassis have to do with vital safety? it wasn't a CF tub like formula cars.

FFS get a grip will you?

it's like being in some kind of alternative reality at times.

JonRB

74,390 posts

271 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Scuffers said:
so, CNC time, CAD work, and CF are all free?

No, I don't know exactly what the costs were, but I think it;s pretty safe to say it's not peanuts!
Oh, for sure. But I was just making a general comment that we don't know what kind of discounts, mates rates or gratis work were given. Some people might give their services for free simply to be involved or to be on telly or for a bit of exposure. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd give some of my time for free just to be on telly and meet Guy Martin. smile

It wasn't a dig at you, BTW (although Mattygooner seemed to seize on it to turn it into one); it was just a comment in general.

hairykrishna

13,158 posts

202 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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PhillipM said:
Lets face it, it beat the record because they had a closed, steep hill and a lot of ballast, not because it was a better design than the previous world record holder.
As far as I can tell there was no previous record holder. They wanted to beat that American bloke but his speed was by no means an official record. I did wonder what the 'official rules' were. Is there an upper limit on weight for example? The street luge speed record is ~97 mph so when does something stop being a luge and start becoming a 'gravity racer'?

It doesn't matter at all for the program of course. The record thing is just an excuse for filming Guy Martin in entertaining situations.


JonRB

74,390 posts

271 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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hairykrishna said:
when does something stop being a luge and start becoming a 'gravity racer'?
This is total conjecture on my part, but I would say that a luge is steered by the body and a 'gravity racer' is steered by means of a steering wheel or handlebar arrangement.

I'm sure there are more precise definitions, but that's my layman's best guess.

Antony Moxey

8,014 posts

218 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Scuffers said:
Antony Moxey said:
PhillipM said:
I'm sorry, did you not notice the moulds and materials/time/effort spent on a single piece carbonfibre tub?
No, and neither did you or anyone else. He went to the factory, saw a 3D design on the screen with the MD (I think) briefly explaining what they'd done before sitting inside a half and saying it was a good fit. That was pretty much it until we saw it fitted to the chassis.

They made no mention of the time or effort used to design/make the tub.
must have imagined the CNC miller making the pattern, and sheets of CF being laid in it then?
Right, for all of five seconds. It still gave no indication whatsoever of the time or effort or cost that went in to designing and making it.

Mattygooner

5,301 posts

203 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Scuffers said:
and what does a thin CF skin on the chassis have to do with vital safety? it wasn't a CF tub like formula cars.

FFS get a grip will you?

it's like being in some kind of alternative reality at times.
I have a grip thanks, it seems to be based more in reality than yours, as you cannot seem to get to grips with what a budget is and that program's and projects have one and that they need to stick to one and may spend a large proportion of it on certain elements, but you just keep listing stuff if it makes you feel happy.

Why don't you write in and ask for theirs, tell them they did it all wrong and maybe it will make you sleep better at night. They did it, they spent the money and they hold a record and turned it in to an entertaining hour of TV.

And no John, I wasn't using your point to further my argument so no need to bring me in to your posts, despite it being a sensible point made by others as well.

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Ultimately, it was a good series, even if it did need to satisfy the needs of mainstream TV. They did manage to mostly avoid the false ejeopardy and cheesy dramatic tension of many of this type of programme, which is good. There was enough real drama provided by the test pilot.

Some of Guy's pearls of wisdom and his smoothness with the ladies are still making me laugh when thinking about them.

Thinking about selective breeding of racers, what would the theoretical offspring of Mr Martin and Ms Schmidt be like? wink

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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really not sure you have got the hang of a discussion forum?


JonRB

74,390 posts

271 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Mattygooner said:
And no John, I wasn't using your point to further my argument so no need to bring me in to your posts, despite it being a sensible point made by others as well.
So when you quoted my post and replied "Exactly, no one knows, apart from Scuffers obviously", that isn't using my post to have a dig at Scuffers then?
Clearly literary comprehension isn't one of your strong points. Especially so as my name is Jon and not John.

The Vambo

6,643 posts

140 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Chimune said:
I was trying to work out who the French lass reminded me of...
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Deserved some recognition.

Spiffing

1,855 posts

209 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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A really enjoyable series, agree there should be a bonus episode for the more technical stuff. Kudos to Guy and channel 4 for making an engineering program which appeals to a wide range of people. My Mum who is not interested in mechanics at all really enjoyed the series.

Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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It's starting to sound like the Top Gear threads in here.

PhillipM

6,515 posts

188 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Ah, the people who think a carbon fibre skin in one piece with moulds are cheaper than a sheet of cardboard and some tape are....interesting.

Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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PhillipM said:
Ah, the people who think a carbon fibre skin in one piece with moulds are cheaper than a sheet of cardboard and some tape are....interesting.
Who actually stated that?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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PhillipM said:
Ah, the people who think a carbon fibre skin in one piece with moulds are cheaper than a sheet of cardboard and some tape are....interesting.
It probably was in this instance, the company gained TV exposure and had their name on the finished product, they probably supplied it all free. The most common form of sponsorship is to provide free goods and services.

It's an odd thread this.