Avengers : Age of Ultron
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What are his limitations?
Just read this interesting article theorising on who the villain is in Avengers 2. This was written pre film, with a storyboard of the original story involving Loki.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/8/29/avengers-age-...
Just read this interesting article theorising on who the villain is in Avengers 2. This was written pre film, with a storyboard of the original story involving Loki.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/8/29/avengers-age-...
Went to see this saturday. Probably not in the best of minds to see it when we did having just worked 12 hours straight on my Thesis. But, went anyway and I have to say it left me a bit non-plussed.
The opening scene was jarring, the CGI, I thought, was really obvious in places. The canon-fodder dudes they were bustin' chops on just looked odd, they didn't move naturally.
Really didn't get the Romanov-Banner love interest, maybe I haven't paid attention in previous films, but that seemed out of the blue.
The guy "twin" really evoked Quicksilver from the X-Men a bit too much. In fact I am not sure if thats supposed to be him or not. Anyway, he looked like Quicksilver's east-European cousin!
Things just seemed to happen (like the huge helo-carrier thing) or characters just seemed to know what was going on. There was never any figuring out phases (except the AI bit). Just cut to new scene and everyone knows about everything and where everyone is. It just felt rushed in places.
The gratuitous splash damage in the far too frequent big fight "set pieces" is just getting silly as well. Is Tony going to buy every building he destroys? Pretty sure he'd have had no money left by the end of the first Avengers movie!
"The Vision" just kept reminding me of Kryten...I could not get that out of my head. And if hes so fricken powerful, why didn't he do more at the end to help?
Ultron's master plan was pure comic book evil genius though. He was hooked into the internet, he could have pretty much killed off half the world just by mucking with that alone. But turning a small european town into an meteor/asteroid was totally far fetched and absurd. Great though. Glad they went that way.
I think the worst part though was that there was never any sense of peril. You didn't once think any of them were going to get so much as a scratch. They made a big bruhaha about all of them dying, sacrificing themselves to blow up the asteroid town and save the world...cue enormous explosion and Thor sinking to the bottom of a lake. But cut to next scene, everyone's dandy. I know that's how it goes in comics, but I think they at least need that element of true peril and this movie didnt have it.
It may be one of those movies I have to watch again. Winter soldier took two watches before I thought it was actually better than I first did. Iron man 3 likewise...I just got bored watching that.
The opening scene was jarring, the CGI, I thought, was really obvious in places. The canon-fodder dudes they were bustin' chops on just looked odd, they didn't move naturally.
Really didn't get the Romanov-Banner love interest, maybe I haven't paid attention in previous films, but that seemed out of the blue.
The guy "twin" really evoked Quicksilver from the X-Men a bit too much. In fact I am not sure if thats supposed to be him or not. Anyway, he looked like Quicksilver's east-European cousin!
Things just seemed to happen (like the huge helo-carrier thing) or characters just seemed to know what was going on. There was never any figuring out phases (except the AI bit). Just cut to new scene and everyone knows about everything and where everyone is. It just felt rushed in places.
The gratuitous splash damage in the far too frequent big fight "set pieces" is just getting silly as well. Is Tony going to buy every building he destroys? Pretty sure he'd have had no money left by the end of the first Avengers movie!
"The Vision" just kept reminding me of Kryten...I could not get that out of my head. And if hes so fricken powerful, why didn't he do more at the end to help?
Ultron's master plan was pure comic book evil genius though. He was hooked into the internet, he could have pretty much killed off half the world just by mucking with that alone. But turning a small european town into an meteor/asteroid was totally far fetched and absurd. Great though. Glad they went that way.
I think the worst part though was that there was never any sense of peril. You didn't once think any of them were going to get so much as a scratch. They made a big bruhaha about all of them dying, sacrificing themselves to blow up the asteroid town and save the world...cue enormous explosion and Thor sinking to the bottom of a lake. But cut to next scene, everyone's dandy. I know that's how it goes in comics, but I think they at least need that element of true peril and this movie didnt have it.
It may be one of those movies I have to watch again. Winter soldier took two watches before I thought it was actually better than I first did. Iron man 3 likewise...I just got bored watching that.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 27th April 12:59
Otispunkmeyer said:
Went to see this saturday. Probably not in the best of minds to see it when we did having just worked 12 hours straight on my Thesis. But, went anyway and I have to say it left me a bit non-plussed.
The opening scene was jarring, the CGI, I thought, was really obvious in places. The canon-fodder dudes they were bustin' chops on just looked odd, they didn't move naturally.
Really didn't get the Romanov-Banner love interest, maybe I haven't paid attention in previous films, but that seemed out of the blue.
The guy "twin" really evoked Quicksilver from the X-Men a bit too much. In fact I am not sure if thats supposed to be him or not. Anyway, he looked like Quicksilver's east-European cousin!
Things just seemed to happen (like the huge helo-carrier thing) or characters just seemed to know what was going on. There was never any figuring out phases (except the AI bit). Just cut to new scene and everyone knows about everything and where everyone is. It just felt rushed in places.
The gratuitous splash damage in the far too frequent big fight "set pieces" is just getting silly as well. Is Tony going to buy every building he destroys? Pretty sure he'd have had no money left by the end of the first Avengers movie!
"The Vision" just kept reminding me of Kryten...I could not get that out of my head. And if hes so fricken powerful, why didn't he do more at the end to help?
Ultron's master plan was pure comic book evil genius though. He was hooked into the internet, he could have pretty much killed off half the world just by mucking with that alone. But turning a small european town into an meteor/asteroid was totally far fetched and absurd. Great though. Glad they went that way.
I think the worst part though was that there was never any sense of peril. You didn't once think any of them were going to get so much as a scratch. They made a big bruhaha about all of them dying, sacrificing themselves to blow up the asteroid town and save the world...cue enormous explosion and Thor sinking to the bottom of a lake. But cut to next scene, everyone's dandy. I know that's how it goes in comics, but I think they at least need that element of true peril and this movie didnt have it.
It may be one of those movies I have to watch again. Winter soldier took two watches before I thought it was actually better than I first did. Iron man 3 likewise...I just got bored watching that.
Good post. Cap America 2 had a lot going on in it. Avengers 2 maybe had too much. Apparently the dvd will have extra scenes, stuff that Whedon wanted in, but the original run was 3 and a half hours!!The opening scene was jarring, the CGI, I thought, was really obvious in places. The canon-fodder dudes they were bustin' chops on just looked odd, they didn't move naturally.
Really didn't get the Romanov-Banner love interest, maybe I haven't paid attention in previous films, but that seemed out of the blue.
The guy "twin" really evoked Quicksilver from the X-Men a bit too much. In fact I am not sure if thats supposed to be him or not. Anyway, he looked like Quicksilver's east-European cousin!
Things just seemed to happen (like the huge helo-carrier thing) or characters just seemed to know what was going on. There was never any figuring out phases (except the AI bit). Just cut to new scene and everyone knows about everything and where everyone is. It just felt rushed in places.
The gratuitous splash damage in the far too frequent big fight "set pieces" is just getting silly as well. Is Tony going to buy every building he destroys? Pretty sure he'd have had no money left by the end of the first Avengers movie!
"The Vision" just kept reminding me of Kryten...I could not get that out of my head. And if hes so fricken powerful, why didn't he do more at the end to help?
Ultron's master plan was pure comic book evil genius though. He was hooked into the internet, he could have pretty much killed off half the world just by mucking with that alone. But turning a small european town into an meteor/asteroid was totally far fetched and absurd. Great though. Glad they went that way.
I think the worst part though was that there was never any sense of peril. You didn't once think any of them were going to get so much as a scratch. They made a big bruhaha about all of them dying, sacrificing themselves to blow up the asteroid town and save the world...cue enormous explosion and Thor sinking to the bottom of a lake. But cut to next scene, everyone's dandy. I know that's how it goes in comics, but I think they at least need that element of true peril and this movie didnt have it.
It may be one of those movies I have to watch again. Winter soldier took two watches before I thought it was actually better than I first did. Iron man 3 likewise...I just got bored watching that.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 27th April 12:59
gadgetmac said:
This is a film for 12 year olds more than any other of the Marvel series and I include Guardians of the Galaxy in that.
My inner 12 year old loved it.I really enjoyed it, I don't think I'd watch it in 3D again, brought little to the experience imho.
It didn't give me the "wow" of the first one either, a bit "been there done that", but still a very good movie that just had a lot to live up to.
My MCU current top 5:
- Cap Am Winter Soldier
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Avengers
- Avengers AoU
- Iron Man
ZesPak said:
My MCU current top 5:
That's probably mine as well. Though mine is in a different order. Have to say though, Winter Soldier was just sublime. I thought the first Cap film was utterly tedious, I find the character's worst trait is that he can be utterly boring. But Winter Soldier did a full 180° and made Cap not just interesting but riveting. Love those old 70s style conspiracy films. I think most of the characters work best in ensemble though. I don't know where Thor's popularity comes from, his abs?- Cap Am Winter Soldier
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Avengers
- Avengers AoU
- Iron Man
I'm hoping that we see a Moon Knight film and that Marvel get more experimental and brave now.
Halb said:
I don't know where Thor's popularity comes from, his abs?
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20). He also has (admittedly, like all of them) some great scenes.Thor vs Iron Man and Thor vs Hulk (both in the first avengers) were pretty epic imho.
That said, his two solo movies were probably my least favorite, along with the first Cap film and the turd Iron Man movie.
Halb said:
I'm hoping that we see a Moon Knight film and that Marvel get more experimental and brave now.
I thought Guardians was a pretty far stretch, yet I loved it. Ant-Man as well is a pretty bold move.Though, they are deffo on a win streak and they probably know they can't keep on stretching the characters they use now.
Tbh, I'm glad they sold the film rights to most of their main characters before they ever contemplated making their own movies (X-Men, Spiderman and Fantastic 4). They had to step up the game using "secondary/minor" characters, which they obviously did.
ZesPak said:
Halb said:
I don't know where Thor's popularity comes from, his abs?
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20). He also has (admittedly, like all of them) some great scenes.Thor vs Iron Man and Thor vs Hulk (both in the first avengers) were pretty epic imho.
That said, his two solo movies were probably my least favorite, along with the first Cap film and the turd Iron Man movie.
ZesPak said:
Halb said:
I'm hoping that we see a Moon Knight film and that Marvel get more experimental and brave now.
I thought Guardians was a pretty far stretch, yet I loved it. Ant-Man as well is a pretty bold move.Though, they are deffo on a win streak and they probably know they can't keep on stretching the characters they use now.
Tbh, I'm glad they sold the film rights to most of their main characters before they ever contemplated making their own movies (X-Men, Spiderman and Fantastic 4). They had to step up the game using "secondary/minor" characters, which they obviously did.
I'm also glad that Sony and Fox's greed is forcing Marvel to look elsewhere. I would like to see a Namor film though.
Halb said:
ZesPak said:
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20).
Out of interest, who do you reckon is top ten/twenty?
That is another damn thread in itself.
The geek will become strong in people and names that most have never heard of will fly about and then someone will roll out the "but deadpool killed everyone line" and it will basically become a slanging match.
omgus said:
Halb said:
ZesPak said:
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20).
Out of interest, who do you reckon is top ten/twenty?That is another damn thread in itself.
The geek will become strong in people and names that most have never heard of will fly about and then someone will roll out the "but deadpool killed everyone line" and it will basically become a slanging match.
Good way to start an arguement. gadgetmac said:
My first post and its just my luck that it could be controversial looking at previous posts on this film.
I thought it was average and wished I'd saved my money for another more worthy film. It was a re-run of the first film with much too many super heroes now involved. I could write a whole article on its short-comings but part of the malaise its engendered means I can't even bring myself to do that.
Sorry but I can't agree with the vast majority of you on this.
nope there's nothing controversial about your statement - you didn't like it and gave a reasoned explanation for it I thought it was average and wished I'd saved my money for another more worthy film. It was a re-run of the first film with much too many super heroes now involved. I could write a whole article on its short-comings but part of the malaise its engendered means I can't even bring myself to do that.
Sorry but I can't agree with the vast majority of you on this.
Me? I enjoyed it - and there were some cracking little moments (Hulk-buster IM pummeling the Hulk made me chuckle) but over-all I preferred the 1st Avengers, GotG, Cap 2, IM... you get the idea. That being said still good
omgus said:
Halb said:
ZesPak said:
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20).
Out of interest, who do you reckon is top ten/twenty?That is another damn thread in itself.
The geek will become strong in people and names that most have never heard of will fly about and then someone will roll out the "but deadpool killed everyone line" and it will basically become a slanging match.
andyjo1982 said:
Do kind of agree with too many superheroes involved. They have to be careful with the 2 infinity war films. Sometimes a little less is more. I wonder if we'll all be talking about how good the Justice league films are when they come out, based on the lessons learned from Avengers?
I'd go with that.In addition to all the new characters introduced in this movie some of whom were not given sufficient development or screen time IMO (Von Strucker and Ulysses Klaue in particular) - they also appear to have pulled in key characters from almost all of the previous movies too (Falcon, War machine, Agent Carter, Selvig, Heimdall, Nick Fury, Agent Hill).
They could have easily dropped 3 or 4 of these characters without affecting the story too much (although admittedly - some were only there to aid the flashback sequences).
omgus said:
Halb said:
ZesPak said:
Out of the current avengers, he is the only alien, and in the usual Marvel universe, pretty damn powerful (probably not top 10, but deffo top 20).
Out of interest, who do you reckon is top ten/twenty?That is another damn thread in itself.
The geek will become strong in people and names that most have never heard of will fly about and then someone will roll out the "but deadpool killed everyone line" and it will basically become a slanging match.
it's a can of worms better left unopened. Out of the better known (as in :appeared in film), from memory:
- silver surfer
- Odin
- Thanos
- Phoenix
- Galactus
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