Terminator: Genisys
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To add... I still kinda like T3. It wasn't executed that well but the core of the story worked for me. The inevitability of judgement day and the twist that Skynet was now software rather than a big box somewhere were good. The TX not so much.
One thing I'd still like a Terminator film to explain is why in the first film Skynet didn't just send the T1000.
One thing I'd still like a Terminator film to explain is why in the first film Skynet didn't just send the T1000.
m444ttb said:
One thing I'd still like a Terminator film to explain is why in the first film Skynet didn't just send the T1000.
From vague memory it was explained in the novels, something about how it was an advanced prototype, not really understood, not under proper control and potentially a risk to its creator. So only deployed when things really went wrong and Plan A didn't work. Though this also relies on the plot point of there being multiple timelines overlaid so Skynet would do things and also 'already' know they failed and 'know' multiple contradictory dates/causes for key events like Judgement Day. It makes a degree of sense if you accept flexibility in cause and effect. Closed timelike curves are also something it all relies on very heavily.
m444ttb said:
To add... I still kinda like T3. It wasn't executed that well but the core of the story worked for me. The inevitability of judgement day and the twist that Skynet was now software rather than a big box somewhere were good. The TX not so much.
One thing I'd still like a Terminator film to explain is why in the first film Skynet didn't just send the T1000.
T3 could never, ever recover after this sceneOne thing I'd still like a Terminator film to explain is why in the first film Skynet didn't just send the T1000.
Have to agree that T3 was pretty woeful, I think I only watched it once and can't stand going back to it. T4 was also a huge disappointment to be honest.
The future war is what every Terminator fan has been wanting to see on the big screen, a full on ruckus in the ruins of a post apocalyptic-world with desperate humans being led to victory by the great John Connor, the fact that they had Bale lined up as the lead was just icing on the cake, how could they get this wrong right?
Yet bizarrely they chose to effectively sideline the main show and reduce Bale to doing his gravely Batman voice on the radio while they spent the majority of the film following around some unknown character who we don't give a sh*t about. It really was the most bizarre plot, whoever green lit it should be shot.
The future war is what every Terminator fan has been wanting to see on the big screen, a full on ruckus in the ruins of a post apocalyptic-world with desperate humans being led to victory by the great John Connor, the fact that they had Bale lined up as the lead was just icing on the cake, how could they get this wrong right?
Yet bizarrely they chose to effectively sideline the main show and reduce Bale to doing his gravely Batman voice on the radio while they spent the majority of the film following around some unknown character who we don't give a sh*t about. It really was the most bizarre plot, whoever green lit it should be shot.
Finally seen this. I thought it was a pretty good popcorn film. I don’t think the new Reece was very good at all and as much as I like her Emilia Clarke was just OK as Sarah Connor . Although this film didn’t suffer from it hugely 15-18 Cert films seem to be very few and far between these days as studios try to up the audience figures. I believe T1 was and 18 and 2 15?
Anyhow I was expecting it to be pretty dire from a few reviews I’ve seen, as with many other recent films the trailer gave too much away as you knew something had gone on with John Connor, which would have otherwise made for a good twist.
They’ve never got back the darkness and how sh@t life in the future was of the first film or the menace of the protagonist of the second film although I quite liked the tone at the start I want to see skulls being crushed by tank tracks….
In the previous films you just knew there was a time machine and time travel was possible but this film tried to go into it a bit more but didn’t really pull it off or explain it too well. Who sent the terminator back to protect Sarah in the 70’s?
I’d give it a 6.5/10
Anyhow I was expecting it to be pretty dire from a few reviews I’ve seen, as with many other recent films the trailer gave too much away as you knew something had gone on with John Connor, which would have otherwise made for a good twist.
They’ve never got back the darkness and how sh@t life in the future was of the first film or the menace of the protagonist of the second film although I quite liked the tone at the start I want to see skulls being crushed by tank tracks….
In the previous films you just knew there was a time machine and time travel was possible but this film tried to go into it a bit more but didn’t really pull it off or explain it too well. Who sent the terminator back to protect Sarah in the 70’s?
I’d give it a 6.5/10
a311 said:
Who sent the terminator back to protect Sarah in the 70’s?
This bugged me too and was explained away by some glib explanation which I suppose means it's set-up for another sequel. The thing that makes me laugh and is getting a bit ridiculous now is the number of time travelling Terminators running around now. It seems that Skynet has an endless supply of time machines and backup plans but so do the rebels.
By my count so far we've had
T1 - 1 T800
T2 - 1 T800, 1 T1000
T3 - 1 T800, 1 T-X
T5 - 1 T800, 1 T1000 + whatever the new Terminator amalgam is called.
That's some serious redundancy planning, how did Skynet manage to do all this when it was effectively destroyed? The original T800 in T1 was billed as it's last ditch attempt to save itself just prior to it being taken out by the rebels?
I think they need to move away from the time travel shtick for the next one as it's gone well past unworkable now. A future war, a proper one, not the crap in Salvation is what I want to see.
Durzel said:
Emilia Clarke can't act.
Apparently it took her 12 takes to do the fan-service "Come with me if you want to live" line, and it still came out bad.
I'd pretty much agree with that statement, she's not terrible but certainly no great shakes either. Apparently it took her 12 takes to do the fan-service "Come with me if you want to live" line, and it still came out bad.
People rave about her in Game of Thrones too but she's not that great in that either IMO. I think her other "assets" are the main reason why she seems to be doing so well in Hollywood.
Guvernator said:
This bugged me too and was explained away by some glib explanation which I suppose means it's set-up for another sequel.
The thing that makes me laugh and is getting a bit ridiculous now is the number of time travelling Terminators running around now. It seems that Skynet has an endless supply of time machines and backup plans but so do the rebels.
By my count so far we've had
T1 - 1 T800
T2 - 1 T800, 1 T1000
T3 - 1 T800, 1 T-X
T5 - 1 T800, 1 T1000 + whatever the new Terminator amalgam is called.
That's some serious redundancy planning, how did Skynet manage to do all this when it was effectively destroyed? The original T800 in T1 was billed as it's last ditch attempt to save itself just prior to it being taken out by the rebels?
I think they need to move away from the time travel shtick for the next one as it's gone well past unworkable now. A future war, a proper one, not the crap in Salvation is what I want to see.
Also the T-5000 the Dr Who/embodiment of Skynet. It seems this has been time travelling trying to figure out how it can be created still and ultimately go on to win. The way I see it as much as judgement day seems to be inevitable (T3) but so is Skynets eventual down fall. A bigger question is how this ragtag bunch of rebels manage to win against all those legions of super killer robots.The thing that makes me laugh and is getting a bit ridiculous now is the number of time travelling Terminators running around now. It seems that Skynet has an endless supply of time machines and backup plans but so do the rebels.
By my count so far we've had
T1 - 1 T800
T2 - 1 T800, 1 T1000
T3 - 1 T800, 1 T-X
T5 - 1 T800, 1 T1000 + whatever the new Terminator amalgam is called.
That's some serious redundancy planning, how did Skynet manage to do all this when it was effectively destroyed? The original T800 in T1 was billed as it's last ditch attempt to save itself just prior to it being taken out by the rebels?
I think they need to move away from the time travel shtick for the next one as it's gone well past unworkable now. A future war, a proper one, not the crap in Salvation is what I want to see.
I think John Connor terminator hybrid is the T3000. Not as bad as Skynet terminator but not far off!
I got excited about the salvation film concept but way way off the mark!
Guvernator said:
I'd pretty much agree with that statement, she's not terrible but certainly no great shakes either.
People rave about her in Game of Thrones too but she's not that great in that either IMO. I think her other "assets" are the main reason why she seems to be doing so well in Hollywood.
She's very pretty, and that goes a long way, but her character in GoT is pretty much one-dimensional (as compared, for example, to Cersei/Lena Headey). There doesn't seem to be any nuance in her character at all, how much of that is in the writing or acting is up for debate I guess but whenever I see her onscreen it's like someone threw a chair into the room. People rave about her in Game of Thrones too but she's not that great in that either IMO. I think her other "assets" are the main reason why she seems to be doing so well in Hollywood.
remkingston said:
T4 was just a giant plot hole.
The drone that identifies Kyle Reese knows who he is. Why did they not just kill him there and then? Kill Kyle, kill John.
Wasn't it explicitly stated in T1 that Skynet didn't know who the father of John Connor was.The drone that identifies Kyle Reese knows who he is. Why did they not just kill him there and then? Kill Kyle, kill John.
All Skynet knew was his mother's name and the city.
Moonhawk said:
remkingston said:
T4 was just a giant plot hole.
The drone that identifies Kyle Reese knows who he is. Why did they not just kill him there and then? Kill Kyle, kill John.
Wasn't it explicitly stated in T1 that Skynet didn't know who the father of John Connor was.The drone that identifies Kyle Reese knows who he is. Why did they not just kill him there and then? Kill Kyle, kill John.
All Skynet knew was his mother's name and the city.
In T4, I never understood why Skynet placed such a high value on John Connor, seeing as he was simply a middling level member of the resistance, let alone why they specifically targeted Kyle Reese, who was just a civilian.
T4 happened before JC was leader of the resistance, and therefore before they sent the first Terminator back to kill Sarah, so how could Skynet possibly have known the future value of JC and KR?
T4 happened before JC was leader of the resistance, and therefore before they sent the first Terminator back to kill Sarah, so how could Skynet possibly have known the future value of JC and KR?
Caught a late night viewing of Genysis last night. I enjoyed it, but found it very confusing at the same time, too many paradoxes. I was surprised at Hans Zimmer doing the soundtrack, really dig his work
The fact that Skynet survived the explosion was a bit of a surprise. I thought the cliffhanger would be someone finds Pops' arm that John Conner ripped off, like what led to the events of T2
The fact that Skynet survived the explosion was a bit of a surprise. I thought the cliffhanger would be someone finds Pops' arm that John Conner ripped off, like what led to the events of T2
I think it suffered from some major late stage re-writes which is never a good sign. Whatever happened, it ended up a total mess. A future war Terminator film could almost write itself, I could probably write a better story.
John Connor starts off as a green Lieutenant but through his skills and future knowledge learnt from his mother plus the fact that he is double hard bast*rd, rises through the ranks, has some kick-ass battles against armies of terminators and the final scene is them storming Skynets bunker just in time to see Arnie disappear through the time portal. Throw in some buddy buddy scenes with his future dad Kyle Reeese and it's Job-jobbed. Didn't need any of that weird cyborg\Sam Worthington rubbish, just needed to be a simple story showing JC becoming the bad-ass leader that we want him to be.
Script writers trying to be too clever for their own good methinks.
John Connor starts off as a green Lieutenant but through his skills and future knowledge learnt from his mother plus the fact that he is double hard bast*rd, rises through the ranks, has some kick-ass battles against armies of terminators and the final scene is them storming Skynets bunker just in time to see Arnie disappear through the time portal. Throw in some buddy buddy scenes with his future dad Kyle Reeese and it's Job-jobbed. Didn't need any of that weird cyborg\Sam Worthington rubbish, just needed to be a simple story showing JC becoming the bad-ass leader that we want him to be.
Script writers trying to be too clever for their own good methinks.
Guvernator said:
I think it suffered from some major late stage re-writes which is never a good sign. Whatever happened, it ended up a total mess. A future war Terminator film could almost write itself, I could probably write a better story.
John Connor starts off as a green Lieutenant but through his skills and future knowledge learnt from his mother plus the fact that he is double hard bast*rd, rises through the ranks, has some kick-ass battles against armies of terminators and the final scene is them storming Skynets bunker just in time to see Arnie disappear through the time portal. Throw in some buddy buddy scenes with his future dad Kyle Reeese and it's Job-jobbed. Didn't need any of that weird cyborg\Sam Worthington rubbish, just needed to be a simple story showing JC becoming the bad-ass leader that we want him to be.
Script writers trying to be too clever for their own good methinks.
I believe the script got leaked and it was originally supposed to be Christian Bale was the unkown terminator, but they went a weird way after the leak.John Connor starts off as a green Lieutenant but through his skills and future knowledge learnt from his mother plus the fact that he is double hard bast*rd, rises through the ranks, has some kick-ass battles against armies of terminators and the final scene is them storming Skynets bunker just in time to see Arnie disappear through the time portal. Throw in some buddy buddy scenes with his future dad Kyle Reeese and it's Job-jobbed. Didn't need any of that weird cyborg\Sam Worthington rubbish, just needed to be a simple story showing JC becoming the bad-ass leader that we want him to be.
Script writers trying to be too clever for their own good methinks.
Hence the John being a terminator in T5 as the idea has merit, but its been oddly implemented.
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