Terminator: Genisys
Discussion
I love the T1 and T2 films. I was too young to see T1 and just right age to see T2. didn't mind the next 2 films either.
I hope they don't balls it up, but I do like the idea of move time line changes. As a plot it gives them chance to revisit the first 2 films, get away with changing things and helps explain why arnie is looking old. Plus they can change the actor of the T1000 since it doesn't really have a face.
one thing I spotted was how will he Kill the T1 terminator with just a shogun? By changing the time line they could end up with Reese not becoming the father to John.
I hope they don't balls it up, but I do like the idea of move time line changes. As a plot it gives them chance to revisit the first 2 films, get away with changing things and helps explain why arnie is looking old. Plus they can change the actor of the T1000 since it doesn't really have a face.
one thing I spotted was how will he Kill the T1 terminator with just a shogun? By changing the time line they could end up with Reese not becoming the father to John.
m444ttb said:
No point denying that I'll go to see it as I did the last two although I'm expecting it to be rubbish already! I'm not sure I like the idea that Judgement day can be stopped though. That it is inevitable was the best part of T3.
It has to be inevitable otherwise John Connor will never exist to stop it.Anything that tries to deal too much with time travel just goes to poo unless they stake out their ideology in this regard.
And if it can happen, then there are infinite timelines, so you may as well just make up any old incoherent storyline and call it a new timeline.
In this case it seems that T1 is now wrong, but we saw it happen that way, so either it always happened that way, or there are infinite timelines.
Under the infinite timeline logic I stop caring somewhat about the plight because back in the 'other' timeline everyone died and stuff...
T1, T2, and T3 kept it simple. No going back to points before the bits you saw, so we could assume it was a single timeline and that is what always happened. Leading to the very 'pure' outcome at the end of T3...
Now it's all gone to s
t and I kinda don't care any more. If this kinda crap can happen, then even if they fail, it might all change again any way. Blah.Dave
PlankWithANailIn said:
Trailer was terrible until Arny showed up. Looks like Terminator 0.5 the prequel; if it is half as good as the original then it will still be great but it will screw up the original films plot...argh...
No it won't, it's time travel, every time Skynet sends back a terminator, it creates a new time line. It's not a prequel, it might as well be a sequel to Terminator 4 that happens 15 years or so later. There's a time line in the wider fiction where Kyle Reese is sent back and finds out John Connor is actually Jane Connor.Trailer was good, have hopes and I enjoyed number 4, only truly bad Terminator was 3.
Regiment said:
PlankWithANailIn said:
Trailer was terrible until Arny showed up. Looks like Terminator 0.5 the prequel; if it is half as good as the original then it will still be great but it will screw up the original films plot...argh...
No it won't, it's time travel, every time Skynet sends back a terminator, it creates a new time line. It's not a prequel, it might as well be a sequel to Terminator 4 that happens 15 years or so later. There's a time line in the wider fiction where Kyle Reese is sent back and finds out John Connor is actually Jane Connor.Trailer was good, have hopes and I enjoyed number 4, only truly bad Terminator was 3.
There is only one timeline and that is the eventual timeline that always existed as the result of all time travel actions, because any possible future in which the AI end up, must be the one which was reached after all possible events in the past. The very fact a Terminator is sent back in T1, tells us that that MUST happen in the future.
Unless you have the infinite universe approach, in which case no rational AI would bother sending a Terminator back if it wouldn't change their future.
Indeed if they sent back a Terminator and it was successful, they wouldn't know in the future to send him back arbitrarily to do what he did.
Thus the end result is always the same. Judgement Day always happens. The humans always win. A Terminator is always sent back for John Connor to be born, etc etc.
Starting to mess around with timelines in these kinda films just makes them turn into a nonsensical mess.
Dave
KareemK said:
Negative Creep said:
So when is this supposed to be set? The bit in the clothing store and the cop car look very 1980's yet all the cars on the bridge scene are far too modern
Hmmm, I think it might just involve time travel or the like. Just a hunch mind. 
Well, just going from the trailer (and from what they did in a similar way in episode 1 of TSCC)...
The main story initially comes together in 1984, overlapping with the events of the first film. Reese travels back to save Sarah, but due to other events things don't go as they originally did.
They deal with the original T-800 Terminator, but the T-1000 is still after them. At some point it looks like it gets into their bunker and disguises itself as Reese (you can see Reese + his double inside the bunker in the trailer) but is spotted
Pursued and trapped, they go to a room in the bunker where a version of the time machine has been built, lock themselves in while the T-1000 tries to (& probably does) break in, and Reese & Sarah travel forward in time to escape, probably to the present day or somewhere close. Maybe even a new date to before whenever Judgement Day is supposed to happen in the latest update to the timeline, or to a point when Skynet is being developed. Usual thing in the flexible timeline where the same basic events happen but with different time/place/reason.
The old Arnie Terminator makes the trip the slow way rather than in the time machine, hence the grey hair when he's in the helicopter. The T-1000 is probably still around too. Carnage ensues.
The main story initially comes together in 1984, overlapping with the events of the first film. Reese travels back to save Sarah, but due to other events things don't go as they originally did.
They deal with the original T-800 Terminator, but the T-1000 is still after them. At some point it looks like it gets into their bunker and disguises itself as Reese (you can see Reese + his double inside the bunker in the trailer) but is spotted
Pursued and trapped, they go to a room in the bunker where a version of the time machine has been built, lock themselves in while the T-1000 tries to (& probably does) break in, and Reese & Sarah travel forward in time to escape, probably to the present day or somewhere close. Maybe even a new date to before whenever Judgement Day is supposed to happen in the latest update to the timeline, or to a point when Skynet is being developed. Usual thing in the flexible timeline where the same basic events happen but with different time/place/reason.
The old Arnie Terminator makes the trip the slow way rather than in the time machine, hence the grey hair when he's in the helicopter. The T-1000 is probably still around too. Carnage ensues.
qube_TA said:
It really looks awful in the trailer.
Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
Or do something original.Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
No one seems to want to take a risk on a fresh idea, so instead they take no real risk and the end result is something that only half succeeds because it's started stood on the shoulders of something that did take a risk and worked out great.
If film makers are unwilling to take a risk, then cinema goers won't be willing to take a risk either imo, or they'll become increasingly disinterested in re-make/re-vamp/re-imaginings.
They've just turned the films into stories about Terminators and a timeline. The characters have had their stories done a million times over by now!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
qube_TA said:
It really looks awful in the trailer.
Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
Or do something original.Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
No one seems to want to take a risk on a fresh idea, so instead they take no real risk and the end result is something that only half succeeds because it's started stood on the shoulders of something that did take a risk and worked out great.
If film makers are unwilling to take a risk, then cinema goers won't be willing to take a risk either imo, or they'll become increasingly disinterested in re-make/re-vamp/re-imaginings.
They've just turned the films into stories about Terminators and a timeline. The characters have had their stories done a million times over by now!
Dave
Negative Creep said:
Mr Whippy said:
qube_TA said:
It really looks awful in the trailer.
Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
Or do something original.Same old depressing Marvel-esque looking crap.
I do with they'd just leave alone.
No one seems to want to take a risk on a fresh idea, so instead they take no real risk and the end result is something that only half succeeds because it's started stood on the shoulders of something that did take a risk and worked out great.
If film makers are unwilling to take a risk, then cinema goers won't be willing to take a risk either imo, or they'll become increasingly disinterested in re-make/re-vamp/re-imaginings.
They've just turned the films into stories about Terminators and a timeline. The characters have had their stories done a million times over by now!
Dave
Maybe it was covered in that TV series thing, which I watched for a bit but it got a bit boring as every episode just played out the same and then it went all time travelly and went horrid.
Dave
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