Terminator: Genisys

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LimaDelta

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218 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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I'll just leave this here...



Courtesy of xkcd.

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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qube_TA said:
I think the future lies in indie film.
Same with lots of stuff.

Big corporates just don't want to take risks any more, which is daft given that is the entire point of these arts industries.

Dave

Otispunkmeyer

12,586 posts

155 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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This is a 12A? Forget it. The new RoboCop was a 12 and that blew hard.

qube_TA

8,402 posts

245 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Given that so many high budget computer games are happy to whack an 18 cert on them I don't know why they're so against making 18 cert films.

Rick_1138

3,669 posts

178 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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qube_TA said:
Given that so many high budget computer games are happy to whack an 18 cert on them I don't know why they're so against making 18 cert films.
Its because the average age of Gamers (much to the denial of the daily mail) is about 26, its where the money is and the age group that has grown up with it and enjoys it.

The average age of cinema goers (or so we are led to believe) is the under 16's, they all cram in to see films and the industry is geared toward filling that market. They seem to forget most kids are happy to watch films on handheld screens and don't want t pay £10 to see something they can download. Most film goers are 16-35 in my experience and they want to see 15 and 18 rated films.

Marvel is sort of doing it with 12 rated films that are pretty gritty (in as far as they can) having a laugh and being a bit close to the bone, but with things like the expendables being 18 rated, then suddenly throwing a 12a one for the third just doesn't make sense.

terminator Genysis should be a 15 ideally, The dark Knight proves the market is there.

Negative Creep

24,974 posts

227 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Wasn't the Dark Knight 12a in cinemas as well? Anyone whose ever played online will be able to confirm that age restrictions on games are widely ignored

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

252 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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the other issue is kids play 18 games fine....but no 16 year old is getting into an 18 movie these days without fake ID.

Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Terminator 6 will be a PG hehe

Mr Whippy

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241 months

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.

MiniMan64

16,919 posts

190 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4?

Mr Whippy

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241 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4?
But that's well into the future war, and kinda doesn't line up with the films either... ie, John Connor isn't the leader, he's kinda a sub-leader while the real leaders are on a submarine and stuff.

Either way it's kinda crap and should be forgotten. No doubt the big head Patrick Bateman went and ruined it all otherwise he'd strop off the set or something hehe

Dave

qube_TA

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245 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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3 was awful too and doesn't really fit in with 2 either.


If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:

In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.

2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.

Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.

Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.

Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)

If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.










Mr Whippy

29,029 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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qube_TA said:
3 was awful too and doesn't really fit in with 2 either.


If you want to make a Terminator film simply ignore all of the old ones:

In the first film a Terminator / soldier was sent back, failed and the future altered due to bits of Arnie being left behind.

2nd film, all Terminators destroyed, original time-line restored.

Therefore either Reese came from the altered future and thus as a result of T2 was never a soldier, it's just a glitch in time that ultimately never happened.

Or the war happened anyway just as depicted, just the circumstances that triggered it were different. In The original unaltered timeline Reese would go back to the 80's as before.

Or, the war did happen but was completely different under the original time-line, the protagonists are thus different also. (T3 attempted this but did it in a shoddy half-arsed way blaming a computer virus)

If you pick the 3rd option then you could start with 'All that you know is wrong, it never actually happened.......' then create your new story, with all new characters without the need to try and crowbar them all together.
You need to be pretty clear on timelines when you start time travelling.

But I like the logic that whatever you think you're doing to change things, is just making the inevitable future you came from occur to begin with.

Films that stuck to that approach would be possibly more harrowing because of it.

T3 ending kinda gets to that idea which was nice... it made everything seems a bit pointless but at the same time they wouldn't have done anything differently as it was their drive to survive that led them to where they were.

Hmmm

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4?
Not sure I have tbh.

MiniMan64

16,919 posts

190 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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Mr Whippy said:
MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4?
But that's well into the future war, and kinda doesn't line up with the films either... ie, John Connor isn't the leader, he's kinda a sub-leader while the real leaders are on a submarine and stuff.

Dave
I used to think that but it makes total sense. If the machines nuke 2/3rds of the planet then everyones not just going to start following some random bloke with no apparent military or leadership background just because he says "I told you so!"

He's have to work his way though, earn the respect we see him have in the future. T4 was supposed to be the first in a new trilogy set entirely in the future which I presume would have ended with T6 showing Laser-wars and a big final battle to get Reece through the time portal/vortex/tunnel.

It had a lot of promise and there some bits I really love but overall they really blew it.

Mr Whippy

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241 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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MiniMan64 said:
Mr Whippy said:
MiniMan64 said:
Hooli said:
As someone else said, make it the start of the future war. Lead it straight on from T3 & it'd be great.
Have you not seen T4?
But that's well into the future war, and kinda doesn't line up with the films either... ie, John Connor isn't the leader, he's kinda a sub-leader while the real leaders are on a submarine and stuff.

Dave
I used to think that but it makes total sense. If the machines nuke 2/3rds of the planet then everyones not just going to start following some random bloke with no apparent military or leadership background just because he says "I told you so!"

He's have to work his way though, earn the respect we see him have in the future. T4 was supposed to be the first in a new trilogy set entirely in the future which I presume would have ended with T6 showing Laser-wars and a big final battle to get Reece through the time portal/vortex/tunnel.

It had a lot of promise and there some bits I really love but overall they really blew it.
Perhaps.

I'd have subscribed to it if it were good... but it didn't convey that sense in the film. The characters and history of John Connor in particular just didn't fit with what had gone before.
But hey, this is Patrick Bateman for you, reinventing the wheel and tearing everything up to portray his vision, which turned out to be a crap one.

Ie, the bit where he's torturing the Terminator that thinks (and is) a real person inside. John Connor we see in T1, T2 and T3 would never do that even to a Terminator. He's portrayed as sensitive and considerate and wouldn't hurt something that might really be alive, especially after his experiences with the T2 and T3 'goodie' Terminators.

Dave

SpeedBash

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Morningside

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Thursday 26th March 2015
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I thought this was an interesting breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZpXUFz_dI