Discussion
Pvapour said:
robemcdonald said:
I saw it today. I can't believe all the positive comments. It was terrible.
as I am typing this I am trying to think of a single stand out moment from the movie and I really can't. The only slight redeeming feature were justice league cameos.
DC need to radically rethink things. Probably the best thing to do would be to drive a big truck full of money up to Joss Whedons house and beg him to take creative control. It won't be perfect, but at least it will be watchable.
Just got bak and feel pretty much the same, 5.5 reallyas I am typing this I am trying to think of a single stand out moment from the movie and I really can't. The only slight redeeming feature were justice league cameos.
DC need to radically rethink things. Probably the best thing to do would be to drive a big truck full of money up to Joss Whedons house and beg him to take creative control. It won't be perfect, but at least it will be watchable.
WTF was that movement of the empress toward end? Somekind of female version of the dad dance! Only bit I laughed at in film and wasn't meant to.
Saw it tonight and while it wasn't bad. It wasn't great either. The plot was weak and joker was under utilised. However what I did see of the joker I really liked and dead shot was very good in it, I enjoyed watching the twisted releationship joker and Harley had. It's not really fair to compare Heath ledgers performance to Jared Leto since he's only in a few scenes.
highway said:
The comics portray Joker as an agent of chaos. Not a gangster who wears a flak jacket with his name on it. If you revisit the Dark Knight you will see just how good Heath Ledger was. Amazing performance and the definitive Joker.
Yep i agree, I thought Leto was an awful Joker. And I rate him as an actor. The film overall was flawed but enjoyable. Margot Robbie was brilliant.
ukaskew said:
lionelf said:
Despite all of the negative reviews it's just broken the Box Office record for an opening weekend in August! 
Huge numbers for August, not all that far off BvS really which is incredible.Marketing budget can be anywhere between 50-150% of budget. Based on the amount of TV spots etc it's probably closer to the higher figure as well, but again to be conservative say it's 100%.
That means the movie will need to clear a minimum of £400m before its makes a penny. Couple that to the fact it probably won't score a release in China for a number of political reasons and the film looks like it's in trouble.
robemcdonald said:
highway said:
The comics portray Joker as an agent of chaos. Not a gangster who wears a flak jacket with his name on it. If you revisit the Dark Knight you will see just how good Heath Ledger was. Amazing performance and the definitive Joker.
That would be Mark Hamill.
OK, I've watched it now.
The story is f
ked. I think Red Letter mostly nails it. The first half is a mess, but then there's a slight gear clunk and things seem to catch on. I think the music comments were spot on, the first bit was a video montage basically, and incredibly poorly edited and mashed together, so that one of the best lines from the trailers was completely drowned out by the ill chosen music...and the line about the drink being water...was edited out...christ DC have panicked here. I can see that they were heavily influenced by Guardians without understanding why Guardians was so successful. It's like bad comedy.
Some thoughts;
Joker...could have been great, but is rather lame, Marluin Manson ripoff indeed.
Margot Robbie, lovely, great acting, but er yeah, is she indestructible?
The Enchantress has...telekinesis, telepathy, matter creation/manipulation, teleportation, some sort of energy/force projection, and probably a dozen other things, just who the frak could cope with all that?
Where ws the Bat?
Where was the Superman?
Where was the Flash?
Deadshot wasn't as wk as I thought he would be, but he shoulda been a bit more of a baddie...and the fire guy was excellent, a real character...compared to the others.
I think RLM were spot on, on the repetition, made me laugh...'here's the team'...and here they are again...'this is the plan'...and this is the plan again...more evidence of the suits stting the bed?
I think there were some great moments in there, but it was edited very poorly, and the under lining story is too ropey, shame, 'cas I reckon under an auteur like Nolan, it could have blown the socks off of it's competition.
The story is f
ked. I think Red Letter mostly nails it. The first half is a mess, but then there's a slight gear clunk and things seem to catch on. I think the music comments were spot on, the first bit was a video montage basically, and incredibly poorly edited and mashed together, so that one of the best lines from the trailers was completely drowned out by the ill chosen music...and the line about the drink being water...was edited out...christ DC have panicked here. I can see that they were heavily influenced by Guardians without understanding why Guardians was so successful. It's like bad comedy.Some thoughts;
Joker...could have been great, but is rather lame, Marluin Manson ripoff indeed.
Margot Robbie, lovely, great acting, but er yeah, is she indestructible?
The Enchantress has...telekinesis, telepathy, matter creation/manipulation, teleportation, some sort of energy/force projection, and probably a dozen other things, just who the frak could cope with all that?
Where ws the Bat?
Where was the Superman?
Where was the Flash?
Deadshot wasn't as w
k as I thought he would be, but he shoulda been a bit more of a baddie...and the fire guy was excellent, a real character...compared to the others.I think RLM were spot on, on the repetition, made me laugh...'here's the team'...and here they are again...'this is the plan'...and this is the plan again...more evidence of the suits s
tting the bed?I think there were some great moments in there, but it was edited very poorly, and the under lining story is too ropey, shame, 'cas I reckon under an auteur like Nolan, it could have blown the socks off of it's competition.
I saw it last night.
Thought the joker was ok, like everyone else wondering wht a c list group of 'anti hero's' got to tackle a major league enchantress, was it BM/SP/Flash's week off?
But I also thought it was entertaining enough overall and Robbie stole the show. Wil smith was will smith could have been a fair bit grimmer.
Thought the joker was ok, like everyone else wondering wht a c list group of 'anti hero's' got to tackle a major league enchantress, was it BM/SP/Flash's week off?
But I also thought it was entertaining enough overall and Robbie stole the show. Wil smith was will smith could have been a fair bit grimmer.
I think the Joker etc only had cameo's because they have other films to star in.
Bring the Joker in more, then batman, then superman, and the actual characters they are trying to show off disappear in the distance.
As it was there are too many characters and not enough screen time for them. Odd because Guardians seemed to do ok with it..
Bring the Joker in more, then batman, then superman, and the actual characters they are trying to show off disappear in the distance.
As it was there are too many characters and not enough screen time for them. Odd because Guardians seemed to do ok with it..
Saw this last night; got to say that I was a little disappointed.
I felt the film could have been 'more' really; the individual elements had massive potential, but it felt a bit flat when brought together. Lots of forced humour than didn't come off right and it seemed to suffer with the same issues as BvS (a disjointed flow to the film, lots of jumping about with little lead in).
Quite a few people raving about Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn; personally I thought she was okay and defintely one of the better characters, but again, I felt like she could have been better. Will Smith was pretty good, but I still have this issue where I keep seeing Will Smith, not his character.
Bad guys were visually good, but not really that scary and their story arc seemed to be missing big chunks.
Soundtrack was ace.
For me, it was a 6.5/10. I love comic book films, but DC really seem to be having post-production editing problems....
I felt the film could have been 'more' really; the individual elements had massive potential, but it felt a bit flat when brought together. Lots of forced humour than didn't come off right and it seemed to suffer with the same issues as BvS (a disjointed flow to the film, lots of jumping about with little lead in).
Quite a few people raving about Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn; personally I thought she was okay and defintely one of the better characters, but again, I felt like she could have been better. Will Smith was pretty good, but I still have this issue where I keep seeing Will Smith, not his character.
Bad guys were visually good, but not really that scary and their story arc seemed to be missing big chunks.
Soundtrack was ace.
For me, it was a 6.5/10. I love comic book films, but DC really seem to be having post-production editing problems....
The Beaver King said:
DC really seem to be having post-production editing problems....
AKA studio execs who think they know better getting involved and messing things up. Again.It'd be interesting to see the original director's cut plus the alternate rather than this messed around version.
Having a read on IMDB, it seems they made heavy edits and cut the film to the point that it change the whole tone of the film.
Apparently, changes include:
Might explain why it feels a bit rushed to be honest; although I don't understand this whole thing about BvS being too dark and gritty, I felt it suited the film perfectly and would have worked for Suicide Squad as well.
Echo the point above though, I'm hoping they do a proper Ultimate Cut like BvS.
Apparently, changes include:
- Boomerang was supposed to have quite a bit of racist and sexist lines
- Joker was supposed to have a lot more screentime
- Harley and Joker were supposed to have a very abusive relationship. The scene were Harley falls out of the chopper when rescued by Joker was originally supposed to have them arguing and Joker pushing her out in rage
- Slipknot (the guy who was killed near the start) was supposed to have a backstory where he is a serial rapist
- There was a lot more backstory to Killer Croc
Might explain why it feels a bit rushed to be honest; although I don't understand this whole thing about BvS being too dark and gritty, I felt it suited the film perfectly and would have worked for Suicide Squad as well.
Echo the point above though, I'm hoping they do a proper Ultimate Cut like BvS.
robemcdonald said:
The budget is quoted at anywhere between £175m - £250m. With the reshoots I'd guess the higher figure is probably right, but for the sake of argument let's say it cost £200m.
Marketing budget can be anywhere between 50-150% of budget. Based on the amount of TV spots etc it's probably closer to the higher figure as well, but again to be conservative say it's 100%.
That means the movie will need to clear a minimum of £400m before its makes a penny. Couple that to the fact it probably won't score a release in China for a number of political reasons and the film looks like it's in trouble.
If it's making money, it will come to China. It will just have some "edits" if there's anything sensitive, and maybe an additional scene out of the blue featuring a Chinese actor who isn't in the Hollywood cut and some blatantly placed local consumer product Marketing budget can be anywhere between 50-150% of budget. Based on the amount of TV spots etc it's probably closer to the higher figure as well, but again to be conservative say it's 100%.
That means the movie will need to clear a minimum of £400m before its makes a penny. Couple that to the fact it probably won't score a release in China for a number of political reasons and the film looks like it's in trouble.
I'm dead serious by the way, I've sat through the Chinese cut of Ironman where the Chinese doctor saves Tony Stark's life and a few other films and you can tell which bits are Chinese-centric. Ironically the Chinese cinema goers don't like "Chinafied" Hollywood films unless it's genuinely supposed to be in there..
Justices said:
If it's making money, it will come to China. It will just have some "edits" if there's anything sensitive, and maybe an additional scene out of the blue featuring a Chinese actor who isn't in the Hollywood cut and some blatantly placed local consumer product I'm dead serious by the way, I've sat through the Chinese cut of Ironman where the Chinese doctor saves Tony Stark's life and a few other films and you can tell which bits are Chinese-centric. Ironically the Chinese cinema goers don't like "Chinafied" Hollywood films unless it's genuinely supposed to be in there..
Did Bob Downy film extra scenes? Or is it crappy/ropey? I'm dead serious by the way, I've sat through the Chinese cut of Ironman where the Chinese doctor saves Tony Stark's life and a few other films and you can tell which bits are Chinese-centric. Ironically the Chinese cinema goers don't like "Chinafied" Hollywood films unless it's genuinely supposed to be in there..The Beaver King said:
Having a read on IMDB, it seems they made heavy edits and cut the film to the point that it change the whole tone of the film.
Apparently, changes include:
Might explain why it feels a bit rushed to be honest; although I don't understand this whole thing about BvS being too dark and gritty, I felt it suited the film perfectly and would have worked for Suicide Squad as well.
Echo the point above though, I'm hoping they do a proper Ultimate Cut like BvS.
The more I think about it, the more I feel I need to see it again. If there there is a ultimate cut, I will probably buy it. Apparently, changes include:
- Boomerang was supposed to have quite a bit of racist and sexist lines
- Joker was supposed to have a lot more screentime
- Harley and Joker were supposed to have a very abusive relationship. The scene were Harley falls out of the chopper when rescued by Joker was originally supposed to have them arguing and Joker pushing her out in rage
- Slipknot (the guy who was killed near the start) was supposed to have a backstory where he is a serial rapist
- There was a lot more backstory to Killer Croc
Might explain why it feels a bit rushed to be honest; although I don't understand this whole thing about BvS being too dark and gritty, I felt it suited the film perfectly and would have worked for Suicide Squad as well.
Echo the point above though, I'm hoping they do a proper Ultimate Cut like BvS.
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