Top Gear: Patagonia Special

[VeeDubBigBird]

pork911 said:

maybe have a little flash of 'banter' on the screen at appropriate moments to flag and excuse any racial slurs?

ahh but that wouldn't work because clarkson, hammond, the crew, producers and BBC standards didn't know 'slope' was a slur, probably just thought it was a term of endearment

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Regaridng the special, i can't wait for it as its the only decent thing on over the christmas period. All the good movies and shows have disappeared with nothing itneresting brough in their place.

[gpo746]

VeeDubBigBird said:

pork911 said:

maybe have a little flash of 'banter' on the screen at appropriate moments to flag and excuse any racial slurs?

ahh but that wouldn't work because clarkson, hammond, the crew, producers and BBC standards didn't know 'slope' was a slur, probably just thought it was a term of endearment

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Regaridng the special, i can't wait for it as its the only decent thing on over the christmas period. All the good movies and shows have disappeared with nothing itneresting brough in their place.

Isn't there a final Miranda special this year ?
I must say for brilliant humour I find Miranda to be it.
It is brilliant and its high time more funny women like Miranda were on TV rather than silly male presenters with racist sexist attitudes and who are paid way too much to present childish shows that people like my old Mum used to find hilarious at times.
More Miranda more Jo Brand more Russell Brand more brand in the BBC brand if you ask me.
I am completely with the pork poster (though I find his chosen screen name offensive to muslims in Bradford.

[Moonhawk]

Crossflow Kid said:

It's because TG is also categorised as "factual" (as some of their material is precisely that.)

Really? Where is it categorised as a "Factual" program.

I just looked on BBC iPlayer - and the only category that Top Gear appears under is "Entertainment".

[Munter]

Moonhawk said:

Really? Where is it categorised as a "Factual" program.

I just looked on BBC iPlayer - and the only category that Top Gear appears under is "Entertainment".

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/guiness-book-of-records-2012-09-07

http://www.nationaltvawards.com/winners
2011 2008 2007 2006 Factual Program: Top Gear

[Moonhawk]

Munter said:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/guiness-book-of...

http://www.nationaltvawards.com/winners
2011 2008 2007 2006 Factual Program: Top Gear

Perhaps they have categorised the show incorrectly. Surely the BBC are the ones to dictate which category their own shows fall into

[Moonhawk]

VeeDubBigBird said:

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Me either.

Just found this website - some really obscure racial slurs.

For example - have your kids ever come home and said they were learning their ABCs? I always thought it was due to the fact that they were learning the alphabet at school - but it seems I may have been mistaken and they were in fact being taught about the Chinese by a racialist teacher

http://www.rsdb.org/

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 9th December 08:51

[gpo746]

Moonhawk said:

VeeDubBigBird said:

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Me either.

Just found this website - some really obscure racial slurs.

For example - have your kids ever come home and said they were learning their ABCs? I always thought it was due to the fact that they were learning the alphabet at school - but it seems I may have been mistaken and they were in fact being taught about the Chinese by a racialist teacher

http://www.rsdb.org/

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 9th December 08:51

Excellent points made about racial slurs.
I know what you mean I was once in the pub with some mates and one of the mates is coloured ( we prefer it to black) and his mates came in and sat at the table next to us. anyway they started talking about someone that wasn't there and called him by the "N" word in an affectionate and inclusive manner. I felt that as we seemed to be all mates and asked them what he was up to. As I wanted to be on the same level I too used the "N" word.
Well it all went downhill fast and I could feel their tensions rising. I felt about as welcome as a health inspector at a takeaway and made my excuses and left. It just goes to show you can't judge these things perfectly.

On another point I was deeply offended by the recent episode of Benefits Britain :Life On The Dole that featured Blackpool.
I wasn't offended by the obviously staged incidents where the woman claimed to have been offered a well paid job or where she was just generally abusive. No. I was offended by the café owner having a gollywog on display. I had to freeze frame the recording to study it.
I have written to Channel 5 demanding an apology or a go on the fat bird in lieu

[pork911]

VeeDubBigBird said:

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

i would have hoped the presenters, crew, producers and BBC standards knew a bit more than veedubbigbird (and anyway they did admit they knew the term and deliberately used it...but didn't know and didn't check it was a slur)

but hey it must have just been happenchance that i've never heard jonathan head or anyone else on the bbc use the term

[AndyNetwork]

VeeDubBigBird said:

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Regaridng the special, i can't wait for it as its the only decent thing on over the christmas period. All the good movies and shows have disappearedbeen bought by Sky with nothing itneresting brough in their place.

Corrected that for you!

[moanthebairns]

pork911 said:

Zoobeef said:

pork911 said:

will there be any racial slurs that the presenters, producers and BBC standards don't realise are derogatory before broadcast and complaint?

I'm confused at the minute. I'm watching family guy and it's full of racial slurs, how come this comedy can do what they want and the top gear comedy cannot?

hmmm let me see

public service broadcaster, family show, deliberately include 'slope' joke to reference the guy, then post complaint plead ignorance that they knew or ought to have known 'slope' might be offensive - though i'm guessing the crew weren't referring to locals in that way off camera and i can't say i ever heard jonathan head using the term etc

Family guy is shown at 10 on BBC, people who write to offcom aren't up at 10 PM and they certainly don't watch BBC3.

Top Gear is a victim of its own success, its huge so tabloids and s with nothing better to do love to have a shot at them. These people are in the minority, it only causes 1 or 2 people to cause a media frenzy via offcom. People love to complain.

Just look at the clio advert that was band because one person said it objectified women as sexy. YET WHEN I WRITE TO OFFCOM about the two women in the Minstrels objectifying men as sex objects quoting "the grand bulge" and other ste I got a response of we have received several complaints about this but see it in good humour.

Also in this letter I mentioned the diet coke advert of 5 women soaking a male in cola and being quite suggestive, had that been 5 guys in the park and one woman it would be a bit rapey. And finally the advert with the fireman spraying water via a hose from the firewater mains into a bathtub with a woman bathing, I mean really this would rip her skin off.

I should say I done the above as I was bored and it was more of a piss take. These do not bother me, nor does racist or sexist jokes. I have what people used to call a life and am not easily offended.

[P-Jay]

DJRC said:

Absolutely! My credo is that everyone and everyone should have the piss ripped out of them all the time.

Im ginger. With freckles.

Do you know technically if you're also left-handed you can apply for a blue badge for your car?

[heyhomes]

IMHO racialist, sexist, disablist, homosexulaist etc jokes are all fine as long as they're geniunely funny. The problem with much of TG's recent stuff is that it's the type of crude level of humour that stopped being funny at the end of the 70s. I'll still watch it though...

[youngsyr]

VeeDubBigBird said:

pork911 said:

maybe have a little flash of 'banter' on the screen at appropriate moments to flag and excuse any racial slurs?

ahh but that wouldn't work because clarkson, hammond, the crew, producers and BBC standards didn't know 'slope' was a slur, probably just thought it was a term of endearment

The ironic thing is i'm 33 and never heard the term 'slope' before. I never realized it could be used in a racial context until the easily offended decided to tell me how outraged i should be and why.

Regaridng the special, i can't wait for it as its the only decent thing on over the christmas period. All the good movies and shows have disappeared with nothing itneresting brough in their place.

I watched the show and it completely flew over my head too, although somewhere in the dusty corners of my mind I, once prompted, remembered that it was a racial slur used in some Vietnam war films.

Clearly everyone involved in televising that section realised the "joke", I suspect that they thought it was allowable because it's not a recognised British English slur, it's an outdated American English slur. Such distinction, or its context doesn't trouble the professionally outraged though.

[moanthebairns]

heyhomes said:

IMHO racialist, sexist, disablist, homosexulaist etc jokes are all fine as long as they're geniunely funny. The problem with much of TG's recent stuff is that it's the type of crude level of humour that stopped being funny at the end of the 70s. I'll still watch it though...

Humour is a very personal thing. I for one cannot stand many mainstream comedians. That doesn't make them not funny.

[pork911]

youngsyr said:

I suspect that they thought it was allowable because it's not a recognised British English slur, it's an outdated American English slur. Such distinction, or its context doesn't trouble the professionally outraged though.

that wasn't their explanation

[anonymous-user]

Moonhawk said:

Crossflow Kid said:

It's because TG is also categorised as "factual" (as some of their material is precisely that.)

Really? Where is it categorised as a "Factual" program.

I just looked on BBC iPlayer - and the only category that Top Gear appears under is "Entertainment".

In that case, it's changed. Beginning of this year TG was definitely under Factual/Documentaries on iPlayer.

ETA: It's a fair cop. Seems "factual" is no longer a category in its own right, and since TG isn't a documentary I guess they've ended up under Entertainment almost by default.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th December 18:42

[pork911]

Crossflow Kid said:

In that case, it's changed. Beginning of this year TG was definitely under Factual/Documentaries on iPlayer.

ETA: It's a fair cop. Seems "factual" is no longer a category in its own right, and since TG isn't a documentary I guess they've ended up under Entertainment almost by default.

Edited by Crossflow Kid on Tuesday 9th December 18:42

isn't there going to be a new section 'the 1970s'?

[youngsyr]

pork911 said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect that they thought it was allowable because it's not a recognised British English slur, it's an outdated American English slur. Such distinction, or its context doesn't trouble the professionally outraged though.

that wasn't their explanation

Why would it be?

Conclusion at pre-production meeting =/= Post airing explanation once proverbial has hit fan

[pork911]

youngsyr said:

pork911 said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect that they thought it was allowable because it's not a recognised British English slur, it's an outdated American English slur. Such distinction, or its context doesn't trouble the professionally outraged though.

that wasn't their explanation

Why would it be?

Conclusion at pre-production meeting =/= Post airing explanation once proverbial has hit fan

i hope you are not suggesting the public explanation was false?

[youngsyr]

pork911 said:

youngsyr said:

pork911 said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect that they thought it was allowable because it's not a recognised British English slur, it's an outdated American English slur. Such distinction, or its context doesn't trouble the professionally outraged though.

that wasn't their explanation

Why would it be?

Conclusion at pre-production meeting =/= Post airing explanation once proverbial has hit fan

i hope you are not suggesting the public explanation was false?

When was a public explanation ever given by anyone, let alone those in the media, after a public outcry 100% honest?