Do you have a problem with the Super Rich in UK?

[boombastictiger]

So basically i watched a program on bbc called 'The Super Rich and Us', and i was pretty shocked to see how some people hate the rich, for being rich! I am not rich by any means (i plan to be one day), yet i do not have a problem with the rich, and i do not agree that they should pay extortionally more in tax or give their money away to others.

I work hard, try not to be lazy and am pushing to create the opportunity for me to make that big pay day. I am 30 but started at the bottem working at 15 stacking , studying and working countless jobs to get where i am today. Among the way i have seen some of my friends do really well for themselves and enter that top 5% of earners, whether because they were smarter, took more risks or were in the right place at the right time, i salut them for getting there and do not feel hard done by.

This leads me on to think that If someone has worked hard and risked so much and made millions or billions along the way, why should they be made to pay more in tax than someone who decided to sit and claim benefits, or have children young, or get in debt and have credit cards? So what if they wanted to pass on all their wealth to kids or grandkids through inheritance, what business is it of anyone else.? People have choices, so if you have kids early thats your decision, if you decide to get drunk everyday thats your choice, if you choose not to work thats your choice, if you go home at 5 everyday thats your choice, if you decide not to take risks in work and life or business thats your choice...surely people should live within their means..

It would be interesting to hear the opinion of pistonheaders on this matter as naturally with the cars on sale here there are a lot of rich and a lot of poor...do you feel hard done by? Do you feel the rich should pay more? Do you think the rich should distribute their wealth to the poor? Do you feel the poor need to be quiet and work harder?

Edited by boombastictiger on Saturday 24th January 19:30

Edited by boombastictiger on Sunday 25th January 16:35

Edited by boombastictiger on Sunday 25th January 16:37

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Good luck to them. What most lefties don't understand (or want to acknowledge) is that without entreprenuerial skill that creates, most other people wouldn't have a job.

Never begrudge anybody else, use it as motivation I say!

[spooderman]

Most wealthy people were born into it, or inherited it. It's rare that 'Bob from Bradford' starts off with nothing prior to becoming a self made millionaire; especially if Bob played by the rules.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

spooderman said:

Most wealthy people were born into it, or inherited it. It's rare that 'Bob from Bradford' starts off with nothing prior to becoming a self made millionaire; especially if Bob played by the rules.

Nope

Top 25
Sri and Gopi Hinduja, £11.9bn, up £1.3bn
Alisher Usmanov, £10.65bn, down £2.65bn
Lakshmi Mittal and family, £10.25bn, up £250m
Len Blavatnik, £10bn, down £1bn
Ernesto and Kirsty Bertarelli, £9.75bn, up £2.35bn
John Fredriksen and family, £9.25bn, up £450m
David and Simon Reuben, £9bn, up £719m
Kirsten and Jorn Rausing, £8.8bn, up £3.69bn
Roman Abramovich, £8.52bn, down £780m
The Duke of Westminster, £8.5bn, up £700m
Galen, Hilary and George Weston and family, £7.3bn, up £650m
Charlene de Carvalho-Heineken and Michel de Carvalho, £6.36bn, down £635m
Mohamed Bin Issa Al Jaber and family, £6.16bn, up £1.65bn
Carrie and Francois Perrodo and family, £6.14bn, new
German Khan, £6.08bn, new
Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay, £6bn, up £3.65bn
Hans Rausing and family £5.9bn, up £1.18bn
Nicky Oppenheimer and family, £4.57bn, up £785m
Earl Cadogan and family, £4.2bn, up £525m
Joseph Lau and family, £4.03bn, down £570m
Sir Philip and Lady Green £3.88bn, no change
Denis O'Brien, £3.85bn, up £486m
Mike Ashley, £3.75bn, up £1.45bn
Sir Richard Branson and family, £3.6bn, up £86m
Idan Ofer, £3.43bn, new

Number 10 had some help though

[boombastictiger]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Never begrudge anybody else, use it as motivation I say!

I totally agree with this..

[spooderman]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Nope

You're quoting 25 individuals and stating I'm wrong?

Most of the (infinitesimal small sample of individuals quoted) come from extremely wealthy backgrounds, whether it is public knowledge or not.

[Spare tyre]

Takes all sorts

Also once I realised that having lots of money doesn't make you happy, I was a lot happier

I appreciate having too little money could make you unhappy thought

[gizlaroc]

spooderman said:

Most wealthy people were born into it, or inherited it. It's rare that 'Bob from Bradford' starts off with nothing prior to becoming a self made millionaire; especially if Bob played by the rules.

So you have a problem with people that were born into it?

[trashbat]

boombastictiger said:

So basically i watched a program on bbc called 'The Super Rich and Us', and i was pretty shocked to see how some people hate the rich, for being rich! I am not rich by any means (i plan to be one day), yet i do not have a problem with the rich, and i do not agree that they should pay extortionally more in tax or give their money away to others.

You might or might not agree with it, but a lot of people's idea of functioning society involves varying dilutions of the principle of, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need'.

That's Marx, by the way, just to enrage any dozing ultra-capitalists, but you can find it encapsulated in much older ideologies than his - most religions, for instance.

So, should you be lucky to have money falling out of your arse, some of which presumably was directly or indirectly extracted from the less fortunate, what are you going to do with it? Gather it in a pile? What use is that?

And if you say something like, reinvest it in your businesses to further advance society, well you can do that and avoid the taxation.

[smn159]

Growing inequality = bad news for rich and poor alike (but mostly the poor)

[spooderman]

gizlaroc said:

So you have a problem with people that were born into it?

Don't be concerned of some random nobody's opinion over the internet! I can only imagine you're wealthy yourself.

To answer the Q - I'm indifferent in most respects; I never claimed rich people upset me.

[Fittster]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

spooderman said:

Most wealthy people were born into it, or inherited it. It's rare that 'Bob from Bradford' starts off with nothing prior to becoming a self made millionaire; especially if Bob played by the rules.

Nope

Top 25
Sri and Gopi Hinduja, £11.9bn, up £1.3bn

Number 10 had some help though

Did you do any research on this? I've just looked at the first entry on the list and the idea this pair started with nothing is rubbish.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/meet-hindujas-britains-we...

Lakshmi Mittal's father owner a large steel manufacture, so again he's not self made.

Ernesto Bertarell: "His grandfather founded Serono, a pharmaceutical company that moved from Rome to Switzerland. Bertarelli became CEO in 1996 and, along with his sister Dona, inherited ownership in 1998 on the death of his father."

I've not yet found any that are genuinely self-made, the nearest are the Russians who when the Soviet Union collapsed managed to grab large chunks of the states assets for themselves.

Edited by Fittster on Saturday 24th January 20:45

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Fittster said:

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

spooderman said:

Most wealthy people were born into it, or inherited it. It's rare that 'Bob from Bradford' starts off with nothing prior to becoming a self made millionaire; especially if Bob played by the rules.

Nope

Top 25
Sri and Gopi Hinduja, £11.9bn, up £1.3bn

Number 10 had some help though

Did you do any research on this? I've just looked at the first entry on the list and the idea this pair started with nothing is rubbish.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/meet-hindujas-britains-we...

Nah, just Googled top 25 & hoped I might strike it lucky.

Anyhoo, each to their own. People seem to spend too much time worrying about others. Look after your own st I always say & good luck to others.

[Scousefella]

boombastictiger said:

So basically i watched a program on bbc called 'The Super Rich and Us', and i was pretty shocked to see how some people hate the rich, for being rich! I am not rich by any means (i plan to be one day), yet i do not have a problem with the rich, and i do not agree that they should pay extortionally more in tax or give their money away to others.

I work hard, try not to be lazy and am pushing to create the opportunity for me to make that big pay day. I am 30 but started at the bottem working at 15 stacking lorrys, studying and working countless jobs to get where i am today. Amoung the way i have seen some of my friends do really well for themselves and enter that top 5% of earners, whether because they were smarter, took more risks or were in the right place at the right time, i salut them for getting there and do not feel hard done by.

This leads me on to think that If someone has worked hard and risked so much and made millions or billions along the way, why should they be made to pay more in tax than someone who decided to sit and claim benefits, or have children young, or get in debt and have credit cards? So what if they wanted to pass on all their wealth to kids or grandkids through inheritance, what business is it of anyone else.? People have choices, so if you have kids early thats your decision, if you decide to get drunk everyday thats your choice, if you choose not to work thats your choice, if you go home at 5 everyday thats your choice, if you decide not to take risks in work and life or business thats your choice...surely people should live within their means..

It would be interesting to hear the opinion of pistonheaders on this matter as naturally with the cars on sale here there are a lot of rich and a lot of poor...do you feel hard done by? Do you feel the rich should pay more? Do you think the rich shoukd distribute their wealth to the poor? Do you feel the poor need to be quite and work harder?

Edited by boombastictiger on Saturday 24th January 19:30

Should you plan a future of exceptional wealth and prosperity then maybe you should consider using a spellchecker of some type before you submit that masterplan of a proposal to a client.

[mybrainhurts]

Scousefella said:

boombastictiger said:

So basically i watched a program on bbc called 'The Super Rich and Us', and i was pretty shocked to see how some people hate the rich, for being rich! I am not rich by any means (i plan to be one day), yet i do not have a problem with the rich, and i do not agree that they should pay extortionally more in tax or give their money away to others.

I work hard, try not to be lazy and am pushing to create the opportunity for me to make that big pay day. I am 30 but started at the bottem working at 15 stacking lorrys, studying and working countless jobs to get where i am today. Amoung the way i have seen some of my friends do really well for themselves and enter that top 5% of earners, whether because they were smarter, took more risks or were in the right place at the right time, i salut them for getting there and do not feel hard done by.

This leads me on to think that If someone has worked hard and risked so much and made millions or billions along the way, why should they be made to pay more in tax than someone who decided to sit and claim benefits, or have children young, or get in debt and have credit cards? So what if they wanted to pass on all their wealth to kids or grandkids through inheritance, what business is it of anyone else.? People have choices, so if you have kids early thats your decision, if you decide to get drunk everyday thats your choice, if you choose not to work thats your choice, if you go home at 5 everyday thats your choice, if you decide not to take risks in work and life or business thats your choice...surely people should live within their means..

It would be interesting to hear the opinion of pistonheaders on this matter as naturally with the cars on sale here there are a lot of rich and a lot of poor...do you feel hard done by? Do you feel the rich should pay more? Do you think the rich shoukd distribute their wealth to the poor? Do you feel the poor need to be quite and work harder?

Edited by boombastictiger on Saturday 24th January 19:30

Should you plan a future of exceptional wealth and prosperity then maybe you should consider using a spellchecker of some type before you submit that masterplan of a proposal to a client.

You missed PROGRAMME, you 'tard....

[gizlaroc]

spooderman said:

Don't be concerned of some random nobody's opinion over the internet! I can only imagine you're wealthy yourself.

To answer the Q - I'm indifferent in most respects; I never claimed rich people upset me.

I'm neither concerned or wealthy, you just sounded very bitter in your comment and I was trying to work out why.

[Scousefella]

mybrainhurts said:

You missed PROGRAMME, you 'tard....

Cheers!!!

It has been a long day, perfection is not always achievable.

[induction]

Yes I have a problem with the super rich ,im not one of them.

[mybrainhurts]

Scousefella said:

mybrainhurts said:

You missed PROGRAMME, you 'tard....

Cheers!!!

It has been a long day, perfection is not always achievable.

You also missed extortionally and bottem and lorrys and amoung and salut and thats and thats and thats and thats and everyday and thats and shoukd and quite.

Perfection, you say? Multiple 'tard I say...

[Chrisgr31]

I think it really depends on the the rich individual, how they got rich, how they behave once rich etc. There's an element I guess as to whether they deserve it, which is always going to get people going.

Certainly have no objection to those that take risks with their life, invest in their business, put their house on the line etc to develop their business and it pays off and they become fabulously wealthy.

No real objection to those who are born in to it but of course when it is sons and daughters taking over their parents business many have nowhere near the same skills as their parent that set up the business.

I am however not sure that footballers are deserving of the huge sums some make, especially those that then prove they cant be a role model. It always seems odd to me that any person I have known that has been on benefits always have SKY. Sky pay millions into football so we have the poorest paying the richest! Mind you if it dint go tot he players it would go to the owners and not sure they deserve it either it!

Then you have Chief Execs of large companies, bankers etc and I am decidedly unconvinced about them deserving it. Part of the issue with Chief Execs is that I think that they need to have life experience etc (have same theory about politicians) and therefore its not a job for young uns! On bankers I dont understand where the profit is coming from as it seems to be if you do well in a currency deal someone else has done badly, so on average the trade has not made any money. If these people are paid by real results then its not so bad, but of course recently it has been proven that often the results aren't real.