James Bond: Spectre
Discussion
. DanielSan said:
It's Bond, it's never been the best when it comes to plot continuation to say the least. But I've enjoyed all 3 of the new films, I actually now prefer the hard edged minimal to none gadget Bond to the original. QOS was a bit weak ending wise, but still more than watchable.
I agree. Only the ending of QoS was weak, but the film more than held its own.Has anyone noticed the poster for Spectre hints at the Octopus insignia with the 8 cracks radiating from the bottom of the bullet hole?
I also wonder whether Blofeld can reappear? Kevin McClory is now dead, so let's hope we seen Ernst Stavro in all his glory (it would be courageous if he appeared as in the books...I.e. hirsute!)
rubystone said:
DanielSan said:
It's Bond, it's never been the best when it comes to plot continuation to say the least. But I've enjoyed all 3 of the new films, I actually now prefer the hard edged minimal to none gadget Bond to the original. QOS was a bit weak ending wise, but still more than watchable.
I agree. Only the ending of QoS was weak, but the film more than held its own.Has anyone noticed the poster for Spectre hints at the Octopus insignia with the 8 cracks radiating from the bottom of the bullet hole?
I also wonder whether Blofeld can reappear? Kevin McClory is now dead, so let's hope we seen Ernst Stavro in all his glory (it would be courageous if he appeared as in the books...I.e. hirsute!)
was Kevin Mclory the one at the stat of For Your Eyes Only who gets scooped up by Roger Moore and dropped into Battersea Power Station Chimney
techiedave said:
Kevin Mclory must have been crap as Blofeld as I don't remember him I remember Kojak and the doctor from Friday the 13th and Charles Gray I think Charles Gray was best as Safari suits are just the business.
was Kevin Mclory the one at the stat of For Your Eyes Only who gets scooped up by Roger Moore and dropped into Battersea Power Station Chimney
McLory and Fleming put together a screenplay back in the mid '50s and approached studios/producers. IIRC the plot was based around Thunderball. It was rejected and Fleming lost interest. When Eon came to film Thunderball, McLory claimed ownership...they give him some dosh and a production credit. That bit them in the backside years later when he made 'Never Say Never Again' with Connery using that screenplay ( very thinly veiled rehash of Thunderball).was Kevin Mclory the one at the stat of For Your Eyes Only who gets scooped up by Roger Moore and dropped into Battersea Power Station Chimney
Off the back of all this McLory contested Eon's use of Blofeld and that's why you don't see the face or hear Moore call him by his name in FYEO...and why the producers enjoyed killing Blofeld off by dropping him down the chimney as a 'flicking the v sign' to McLory.
But SPECTRE without Blofeld is unthinkable.
Daniel Craig has been a good Bond in search of a good script.' Casino was a good film. Quantum was dire. As said earlier the worst edited car chase I have ever seen. Skyfall, hyped enormously, wasn't great either. Ludicrous villain. A plot among little sense. An Avengers esque villain wants to be captured ( and held in glass cell twist) then the ending. Which made no sense. Too many scenes where the film is looking pleased with itself for being arty. Bond fighting in silhouette or standing on a boat surrounded by colour.
Most of all film needs a plot which is interesting and makes some sense.
I saw kingsman recently. Demonstrates how easy it is for films like this to turn into Austin Powers.
Most of all film needs a plot which is interesting and makes some sense.
I saw kingsman recently. Demonstrates how easy it is for films like this to turn into Austin Powers.
rubystone said:
McLory and Fleming put together a screenplay back in the mid '50s and approached studios/producers. IIRC the plot was based around Thunderball. It was rejected and Fleming lost interest. When Eon came to film Thunderball, McLory claimed ownership...they give him some dosh and a production credit. That bit them in the backside years later when he made 'Never Say Never Again' with Connery using that screenplay ( very thinly veiled rehash of Thunderball).
Not exactly.Fleming was asked to write a screenplay but gave up. McLory stepped in and wrote one called 'Warhead', then Fleming pinched the plot for Thunderball.
All these films require suspension of disbelief to enjoy. I don't have a problem with that. Like many, i thought moving to a Bond more in the vein of a Bourne film; grittier, more realistic action, was a good idea. The latter Brosnan films weren't helped by ridiculous, old fashioned story lines which the Austin Powers films had really made look silly. Villains explaining there master plan to a captured hero just before he escapes, secret bases in volcanoes etc. They were of their time, but down work anymore as tastes have changed.
Casino Royale heralded a return to a more grounded Bond, and a fantastic film it was too. QOS had a great premise, nodding to Spectre in the old films whilst creating a new threat-a multi national corporation out to advance its own ends (probably minimising their UK tax liability as well) This would have been timely and relevant yet the film, for reasons documented, frittered that idea away. QOS also featured the worse executed big budget car chase sequence Ive ever seen on film. Blame the director for that.
Key to success with this is screenplay and story. I hope the new film is more Casino Royale in tone to what came afterward.
Casino Royale heralded a return to a more grounded Bond, and a fantastic film it was too. QOS had a great premise, nodding to Spectre in the old films whilst creating a new threat-a multi national corporation out to advance its own ends (probably minimising their UK tax liability as well) This would have been timely and relevant yet the film, for reasons documented, frittered that idea away. QOS also featured the worse executed big budget car chase sequence Ive ever seen on film. Blame the director for that.
Key to success with this is screenplay and story. I hope the new film is more Casino Royale in tone to what came afterward.
Dr Jekyll said:
Not exactly.
Fleming was asked to write a screenplay but gave up. McLory stepped in and wrote one called 'Warhead', then Fleming pinched the plot for Thunderball.
'Pinched' nope. co-wrote, yes. I'm sure if I were to google it I could correct the inaccuracies that come with old age....although a lot of what's to be found on the Internet is not entirely accurate of course....Fleming was asked to write a screenplay but gave up. McLory stepped in and wrote one called 'Warhead', then Fleming pinched the plot for Thunderball.
highway said:
All these films require suspension of disbelief to enjoy. I don't have a problem with that. Like many, i thought moving to a Bond more in the vein of a Bourne film; grittier, more realistic action, was a good idea. The latter Brosnan films weren't helped by ridiculous, old fashioned story lines which the Austin Powers films had really made look silly. Villains explaining there master plan to a captured hero just before he escapes, secret bases in volcanoes etc. They were of their time, but down work anymore as tastes have changed.
Casino Royale heralded a return to a more grounded Bond, and a fantastic film it was too. QOS had a great premise, nodding to Spectre in the old films whilst creating a new threat-a multi national corporation out to advance its own ends (probably minimising their UK tax liability as well) This would have been timely and relevant yet the film, for reasons documented, frittered that idea away. QOS also featured the worse executed big budget car chase sequence Ive ever seen on film. Blame the director for that.
Key to success with this is screenplay and story. I hope the new film is more Casino Royale in tone to what came afterward.
I totally agree with you, but I think that Skyfall had a lot of merit. With better editing I think it would have been tighter and the weak scenes such as 'baddie imprisoned in glass cube' might have made it to the cutting room floor...Casino Royale heralded a return to a more grounded Bond, and a fantastic film it was too. QOS had a great premise, nodding to Spectre in the old films whilst creating a new threat-a multi national corporation out to advance its own ends (probably minimising their UK tax liability as well) This would have been timely and relevant yet the film, for reasons documented, frittered that idea away. QOS also featured the worse executed big budget car chase sequence Ive ever seen on film. Blame the director for that.
Key to success with this is screenplay and story. I hope the new film is more Casino Royale in tone to what came afterward.
One of the many things I didn't like about Skyfall was the way Bond was presented. In Casino he is a new 00 agent. All good in keeping with the reboot. Then we have Quantum. A film so lacking I can scarcely remember anything about it. Then Skyfall. Suddenly Bond is being referred to as old, washed up and past his best. I can understand that as a storyline, showing the main character as being older, weaker and maybe a bit diminished can be interesting. Marvel did it recently with Old Man Logan (most super heroes are dead and Wolverine in old...and a pacifist) and DC did it with the Frank Miller Dark Knight (80's graphic novel showing a Batman in his early 60s returning to take back Gotham)
It was surely too soon to play this card for Bond though. Similarly the groundskeeper Willie character at his house was ill judged and the whole film looked to pleased with itself too much of the time. No memorable female. No memorable car sequence. Some jarring CGI. Hope the next one is must better...
It was surely too soon to play this card for Bond though. Similarly the groundskeeper Willie character at his house was ill judged and the whole film looked to pleased with itself too much of the time. No memorable female. No memorable car sequence. Some jarring CGI. Hope the next one is must better...
RichB said:
What did he do?
Um, revenge act against M for betraying him after he was captured by the Chinese or Russians or Martians or someone else.He managed to plan an attack years in advance knowing exactly where everyone would be and perfect timings to the second, planning his own capture through a complex web of a Shanghai assassination and Macau Casino contacts, forcing MI6 to change location after bombing their HQ to a place he expected them to move to, knowing that they would plug his laptop into their system so his pre-written code on the laptop could infiltrate their network and turn off the security to the cell he knew they would construct for him, where they would construct it, it's power/security systems and that he would be held in it and then covering his escape using a tube train crashing through an abandoned tunnel at exactly the right moment to block off his pursuer who he knew would be chasing him, all to put himself in the position to kill M which if he was so clever he could have done in the first few minutes, you know, b
ks.I too thought Skyfall was a bit rubbish.
Given the quality of actor they had to play as the baddie, they gave him a st wig and an even stter demeanour - It was like watching Dame Edna have a bit of a hissy fit. It also had some really stupid bits that was insulting, even suspending belief for the film.
QoS I though was ok. Not as good as CR but that was one of the best Bonds out of all of them combined. A great film.
Given the quality of actor they had to play as the baddie, they gave him a s
t wig and an even stter demeanour - It was like watching Dame Edna have a bit of a hissy fit. It also had some really stupid bits that was insulting, even suspending belief for the film.QoS I though was ok. Not as good as CR but that was one of the best Bonds out of all of them combined. A great film.
FourWheelDrift said:
Um, revenge act against M for betraying him after he was captured by the Chinese or Russians or Martians or someone else.
He managed to plan an attack years in advance knowing exactly where everyone would be and perfect timings to the second, planning his own capture through a complex web of a Shanghai assassination and Macau Casino contacts, forcing MI6 to change location after bombing their HQ to a place he expected them to move to, knowing that they would plug his laptop into their system so his pre-written code on the laptop could infiltrate their network and turn off the security to the cell he knew they would construct for him, where they would construct it, it's power/security systems and that he would be held in it and then covering his escape using a tube train crashing through an abandoned tunnel at exactly the right moment to block off his pursuer who he knew would be chasing him, all to put himself in the position to kill M which if he was so clever he could have done in the first few minutes, you know, bks.
Bang on. Did they buy the set for the villains cell from the producers of the Avengers? Over rated. I could envisage Mendes waiting for the light to be @just right@ for Bond sailing into the casino on a gondola. Pretentious tosh.He managed to plan an attack years in advance knowing exactly where everyone would be and perfect timings to the second, planning his own capture through a complex web of a Shanghai assassination and Macau Casino contacts, forcing MI6 to change location after bombing their HQ to a place he expected them to move to, knowing that they would plug his laptop into their system so his pre-written code on the laptop could infiltrate their network and turn off the security to the cell he knew they would construct for him, where they would construct it, it's power/security systems and that he would be held in it and then covering his escape using a tube train crashing through an abandoned tunnel at exactly the right moment to block off his pursuer who he knew would be chasing him, all to put himself in the position to kill M which if he was so clever he could have done in the first few minutes, you know, b
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