James Bond: Spectre
Discussion
Europa1 said:
Zod said:
Vanin said:
Continuity,
We were robbed of any more of Monica after a very short time and Bond says to her that Felix will look after you in America. Wasn't Felix eaten by sharks in the previous film?
He lost a leg to a shark in Licence to Kill, but that was pre-reboot. He wasn't in Skyfall.We were robbed of any more of Monica after a very short time and Bond says to her that Felix will look after you in America. Wasn't Felix eaten by sharks in the previous film?
Ari said:
To create a blank canvas to rebuild it how you wish. I think the 007 reboot has been phenomenally successful.
It was, initially, until it started to reintroduce old habits. Spectre is the worst for it. Every action is a homage to an older film, many of them from the Moore days.Just got back from watching it so here's my opinion:
I too thought there was something missing, for the length of the film, it didn't seem to have a thick plot. I know JB movies are basic, but when a movie approaches 3 hours it needs to have a bit more thinking involved.
Monica Bellucci did indeed suit DC better than Lea Seydoux. However it was weird just how quickly he pulled her. Just turns up at her husbands funeral, shots some dudes who wanted to stalk her briefly before shooting her, and then they get it on.
Car chase scene was OK. I thought the Jag was stunning, wish we could have seen it a bit more.
Q was good throughout the film.
Theme tune was poor. Very high pitched voice for a man, yet can't seem to belt out a long note for a decent length of time.
Dave Bautista was OK. I'm glad he didn't speak much. He did seem to have a weird grin throughout most of the film though. I wouldn't consider him a classic bond henchman though.
Christoph Waltz was used OK, although I wish we got to see him a bit more post scar. Although well acted, still just a typical Bond villain with attention seeking dramatics for no apparent reason.
Movie was better than QoS. I preferred Skyfall on first watch, although would put them both on a par in terms of enjoyment, both had good villains with the same sort of plan. CR is going to be hard to beat.
I too thought there was something missing, for the length of the film, it didn't seem to have a thick plot. I know JB movies are basic, but when a movie approaches 3 hours it needs to have a bit more thinking involved.
Monica Bellucci did indeed suit DC better than Lea Seydoux. However it was weird just how quickly he pulled her. Just turns up at her husbands funeral, shots some dudes who wanted to stalk her briefly before shooting her, and then they get it on.
Car chase scene was OK. I thought the Jag was stunning, wish we could have seen it a bit more.
Q was good throughout the film.
Theme tune was poor. Very high pitched voice for a man, yet can't seem to belt out a long note for a decent length of time.
Dave Bautista was OK. I'm glad he didn't speak much. He did seem to have a weird grin throughout most of the film though. I wouldn't consider him a classic bond henchman though.
Christoph Waltz was used OK, although I wish we got to see him a bit more post scar. Although well acted, still just a typical Bond villain with attention seeking dramatics for no apparent reason.
Movie was better than QoS. I preferred Skyfall on first watch, although would put them both on a par in terms of enjoyment, both had good villains with the same sort of plan. CR is going to be hard to beat.
Did wonder if they couldn't do a more 'realistic' car chase like in Quantum (or the Bourne films) because of the limited number of cars they had available, either that or Aston didn't want this car to be seen to be damaged. But a quick google shows 12 Astons used in QoS (7 trashed), and 10 in Spectre (7 trashed) which puts paid to that theory.
Xaero said:
CR is going to be hard to beat.
The problem is, they don't seem interested in trying.Rather churn out formulaic, Bond-by-numbers tat. For reference, I disliked Skyfall for the same reasons.
If someone had told me that this was actually Roger Moores last Bond film, where he had died during shooting, and they had finished it by CGI-ing Daniel Craig into the role, I could almost believe it.
What happened to the grittier, plot driven style of Casino Royale?
Shark well and truly jumped.
The car chase certainly needs a new formula and something interesting for Pistonheaders.
A good Bond location would be Goodwood on Revival weekend where Bond has a meeting with a baddie,(we desperately need a female baddie with a big cleavage, sadly missing from Spectre!)
Spotted the baddie jumps into a Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB which is just being driven up to the concourse judges, he outs the owner and sets off round the track, Bond jumps into a DB4 Zagato, outs the owner(finds himself next to a stunning blond passenger) and gives chase and we have the two old enemies fighting the circuit and a proper car chase, opposite lock etc.
They could make a few excursions into the crowd and marquees, they could have a prang and then both jump into a pair of classic minis to continue the race.
Prang those and then finish with the latest Jaguar and Aston to acquire the advertising revenue.
Why oh why do they not hire Vanin for ideas and pay him a fortune!
A good Bond location would be Goodwood on Revival weekend where Bond has a meeting with a baddie,(we desperately need a female baddie with a big cleavage, sadly missing from Spectre!)
Spotted the baddie jumps into a Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB which is just being driven up to the concourse judges, he outs the owner and sets off round the track, Bond jumps into a DB4 Zagato, outs the owner(finds himself next to a stunning blond passenger) and gives chase and we have the two old enemies fighting the circuit and a proper car chase, opposite lock etc.
They could make a few excursions into the crowd and marquees, they could have a prang and then both jump into a pair of classic minis to continue the race.
Prang those and then finish with the latest Jaguar and Aston to acquire the advertising revenue.
Why oh why do they not hire Vanin for ideas and pay him a fortune!
I very rarely struggle to find enjoyment in films I watch and have a pretty low benchmark, but having just got back from seeing this I feel distinctly underwhelmed. Way too long, the Mexico opening was spectacular, but I couldn't help but think of the movie Sahara when they rock up in Africa.
Also something just didn't feel right with 'C', maybe too young or something but had absolutely no presence in my opinion.
Also something just didn't feel right with 'C', maybe too young or something but had absolutely no presence in my opinion.
Big Worm 1 said:
Did anybody else think that....
Blofeld's motivation was a bit weak? "My Daddy liked you more than me!"
Incredibly fBlofeld's motivation was a bit weak? "My Daddy liked you more than me!"
king weak. Basically it means he's a sociopath, or a psychopath, not sure...so he's just broken then. That's it, no real reason or story.Jesus f
king christ, this is one of the most expensive films! It's like minimal fking effort went into almost every aspect.ukaskew said:
Also something just didn't feel right with 'C', maybe too young or something but had absolutely no presence in my opinion.
I think he was cast as someone a bit wet deliberately, but it did strike me as implausible that he's sat at the top floor of the brand new super-mega-intelligence building which monitors everything down to MI6 agent's private calls (and is going live in five mins with a global info sharing network), and there's not another soul to be seen in the whole building! Even Nakatomi Plaza at least had a couple of guards on the front door!vladcjelli said:
The problem is, they don't seem interested in trying.
Rather churn out formulaic, Bond-by-numbers tat. For reference, I disliked Skyfall for the same reasons.
If someone had told me that this was actually Roger Moores last Bond film, where he had died during shooting, and they had finished it by CGI-ing Daniel Craig into the role, I could almost believe it.
What happened to the grittier, plot driven style of Casino Royale?
Shark well and truly jumped.
As I said above even moor bond films had some grit. Killing the guy hanging onto his tie. In fact the whole scene at the pyramids. The knife thrower scene and the tension to get to the bomb in octopussy. Repeating myself but avtak had some awesome moments.Rather churn out formulaic, Bond-by-numbers tat. For reference, I disliked Skyfall for the same reasons.
If someone had told me that this was actually Roger Moores last Bond film, where he had died during shooting, and they had finished it by CGI-ing Daniel Craig into the role, I could almost believe it.
What happened to the grittier, plot driven style of Casino Royale?
Shark well and truly jumped.
Yes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
Spectre never seemed to be one thing or the other.
Pesty said:
As I said above even moor bond films had some grit. Killing the guy hanging onto his tie. In fact the whole scene at the pyramids. The knife thrower scene and the tension to get to the bomb in octopussy. Repeating myself but avtak had some awesome moments.
Yes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
Spectre never seemed to be one thing or the other.
YesYes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
Spectre never seemed to be one thing or the other.
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Pesty said:
vladcjelli said:
The problem is, they don't seem interested in trying.
Rather churn out formulaic, Bond-by-numbers tat. For reference, I disliked Skyfall for the same reasons.
If someone had told me that this was actually Roger Moores last Bond film, where he had died during shooting, and they had finished it by CGI-ing Daniel Craig into the role, I could almost believe it.
What happened to the grittier, plot driven style of Casino Royale?
Shark well and truly jumped.
As I said above even moor bond films had some grit. Killing the guy hanging onto his tie. In fact the whole scene at the pyramids. The knife thrower scene and the tension to get to the bomb in octopussy. Repeating myself but avtak had some awesome moments.Rather churn out formulaic, Bond-by-numbers tat. For reference, I disliked Skyfall for the same reasons.
If someone had told me that this was actually Roger Moores last Bond film, where he had died during shooting, and they had finished it by CGI-ing Daniel Craig into the role, I could almost believe it.
What happened to the grittier, plot driven style of Casino Royale?
Shark well and truly jumped.
Yes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
Spectre never seemed to be one thing or the other.
Given the suspension of disbelief required for Bond movies in general I do find myself more annoyed when jarring things happen in these new, more 'real' Bond movies.
Everything from Q just rocking up at the ultra-exclusive ski resort clinic despite surely not having the funds to do so privately (he even alludes to paying his mortgage earlier) or getting away with it as part of his job, to the suddenly empty streets of London or train carriages when things are kicking off. And I really didn't get the over-elaborate set up of the ending, with the graffiti (despite Bond initially rocking up handcuffed with two heavies).
It just felt like they were trying really hard to bring back some of the Bond of old, whilst still trying to ground it in reality a bit more as per the Craig films. Also, the car chase was rubbish.
Everything from Q just rocking up at the ultra-exclusive ski resort clinic despite surely not having the funds to do so privately (he even alludes to paying his mortgage earlier) or getting away with it as part of his job, to the suddenly empty streets of London or train carriages when things are kicking off. And I really didn't get the over-elaborate set up of the ending, with the graffiti (despite Bond initially rocking up handcuffed with two heavies).
It just felt like they were trying really hard to bring back some of the Bond of old, whilst still trying to ground it in reality a bit more as per the Craig films. Also, the car chase was rubbish.
Pesty said:
As I said above even moor bond films had some grit. Killing the guy hanging onto his tie. In fact the whole scene at the pyramids. The knife thrower scene and the tension to get to the bomb in octopussy. Repeating myself but avtak had some awesome moments.
Yes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
Yeah, for a bit of a suss, Moore had some strangely savage moments. And these were films that were aimed at kids. Pigeon double-take, Barbara Woodhouse impression, comedy Maggie etc.Yes Moore films had plenty of goofiness but it was juxtaposed better with the sometimes incredible violence.
What was that bit from View to a Kill you mentioned earlier?
Halb said:
What was that bit from View to a Kill you mentioned earlier?
There are a couple iirc but the main one has to be one of the most sadistic ever to hit a screen. And nobody remembers it.zorin floods the mines killing hundreds of workers or a lot anyway. Him and his mate then sub machine gun the survivors smiling like loons. They don't even reload they just pick up more sub machine guns already prepared.
Ok it's not too graphic as it would be these days but off the top of my head I can't think of something as psychotic especially in a 'kids' film.
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