James Bond: Spectre
Discussion
Halb said:
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k. Now you've pointed that out, it's all I'll think of.
just what the fkity was Mendes thinking? 
it was so austin powers at big meeting man in grey suit sitting in unlit chair with giant henchman saying cuckoo-almost pmsl as did wifek. Now you've pointed that out, it's all I'll think of.just what the f
kity was Mendes thinking? martin
ps and blofeld ran like a girl just like dr evil lol
daddy cool said:
Q in Skyfall: "You were expecting an exploding pen? We don't really go in for that any more"
Q in Spectre (set a matter of months later): "Here, have an exploding watch".
I know. It would have been easy to include a line from Q about having a change of heart after the events in Skyfall where he sees how effective violence can be. But instead it feels like a lazy return to traditional Bond tropes. Q in Spectre (set a matter of months later): "Here, have an exploding watch".
Having said that, I'm glad he changed his mind. They need to find a compromise between Bourne style realism and escapist fantasy.
Seen it last night
It was up and down for me, but in short quite silly at the front, quite silly at the back but often pretty decent in the middle.
If real physics had been observed I think the movie would have been over in the first 5 minutes as the helicopter plummeted into the ground at high speed with a couple of blokes flailing around inside.
I thought the car chase was very dull as these things go. Seemed more like a bit a of a car advert; just two cars driving around, bit of drifting, but no real sense of drama or impending doom. No attempt by the chase car to really catch up and do a bit of jousting/ramming. Just driving line astern till he runs out of road.
Did like the aeroplane-car chase though, strangely, that was quite good to watch and reminded me of the Brosnan bond films. Cheese but good cheese.
Then at the end, that dentist chair thing (which seemed totally ineffectual as his balance was unaffected and he remembered who everyone was anyway) was just daft. Ridiculously elaborate micro-drills extending on multi-jointed robot arms. What on earth? Who would design something that stupid?
I also felt that the premise, the "knowledge is power, knowledge is a weapon" thing was very last decade. Its been done in many many films.
Not a bad watch all in, but nothing spectacular.
It was up and down for me, but in short quite silly at the front, quite silly at the back but often pretty decent in the middle.
If real physics had been observed I think the movie would have been over in the first 5 minutes as the helicopter plummeted into the ground at high speed with a couple of blokes flailing around inside.
I thought the car chase was very dull as these things go. Seemed more like a bit a of a car advert; just two cars driving around, bit of drifting, but no real sense of drama or impending doom. No attempt by the chase car to really catch up and do a bit of jousting/ramming. Just driving line astern till he runs out of road.
Did like the aeroplane-car chase though, strangely, that was quite good to watch and reminded me of the Brosnan bond films. Cheese but good cheese.
Then at the end, that dentist chair thing (which seemed totally ineffectual as his balance was unaffected and he remembered who everyone was anyway) was just daft. Ridiculously elaborate micro-drills extending on multi-jointed robot arms. What on earth? Who would design something that stupid?
I also felt that the premise, the "knowledge is power, knowledge is a weapon" thing was very last decade. Its been done in many many films.
Not a bad watch all in, but nothing spectacular.
toppstuff said:
I thought it was great. Enjoyed it muchly.
Opening scenes in Mexico city were excellent. Particularly enjoyed the opening 5 minute long unedited sequence... ver hard to do and they nailed it.
sorry...Opening scenes in Mexico city were excellent. Particularly enjoyed the opening 5 minute long unedited sequence... ver hard to do and they nailed it.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/how...
Firstly I didn't realise the Daniel Craig films where a prequel to Dr No. I suppose it explains a few things.
For me I found it boring overall. Some of the backdrops where stunning, and some great camera work but the storyline was rubbish. Nothing really happened and wasn't the bonds of old.
For having the biggest budget they didn't use it to employ decent writers. As a farewell to Daniel Craig it was a pretty poor send off. One to forget.
For me I found it boring overall. Some of the backdrops where stunning, and some great camera work but the storyline was rubbish. Nothing really happened and wasn't the bonds of old.
For having the biggest budget they didn't use it to employ decent writers. As a farewell to Daniel Craig it was a pretty poor send off. One to forget.
Challo said:
Firstly I didn't realise the Daniel Craig films where a prequel to Dr No. I suppose it explains a few things.
For me I found it boring overall. Some of the backdrops where stunning, and some great camera work but the storyline was rubbish. Nothing really happened and wasn't the bonds of old.
For having the biggest budget they didn't use it to employ decent writers. As a farewell to Daniel Craig it was a pretty poor send off. One to forget.
Just came back from the cinema and more or less this. Not much happened and it was a little dull unfortunately.For me I found it boring overall. Some of the backdrops where stunning, and some great camera work but the storyline was rubbish. Nothing really happened and wasn't the bonds of old.
For having the biggest budget they didn't use it to employ decent writers. As a farewell to Daniel Craig it was a pretty poor send off. One to forget.
Saw it last night, doesn't stand up to strenuous analysis but hey, it's a Bond film! Did it entertain me? Yes. The entire evil overlord desert hideout sequence seemed pretty pointless, they could have ditched that and had the showdown in the old MI6 building as the finale. Could also have done with a bit more Monica Bellucci in her lingerie; apparently she was in the running for Paris Carver in "Tomorrow Never Dies" but some idiot turned her down...
Watched it last night, thought it was poor from the start, the CGI crowd scenes in Mexico City were awful, apart from the main characters everyone else was just a background blur.
It clumsily led from one contrived scene to the next, no suspense or intrigue at all, "Bond wants to know something", someone looks it up on their laptop and finds it for him. He casually locates and then strolls into what is allegedly the biggest secret gathering of villains in the world and just stands there with loads of other people as they rattle off everything that they are upto!
He spends hardly any time with the lead Bond girl, but she is then suddenly the love of his life! and Bloefeld just looked like a used car salesman.
Sloppy from start to finish, over hyped to the extreme
It clumsily led from one contrived scene to the next, no suspense or intrigue at all, "Bond wants to know something", someone looks it up on their laptop and finds it for him. He casually locates and then strolls into what is allegedly the biggest secret gathering of villains in the world and just stands there with loads of other people as they rattle off everything that they are upto!
He spends hardly any time with the lead Bond girl, but she is then suddenly the love of his life! and Bloefeld just looked like a used car salesman.
Sloppy from start to finish, over hyped to the extreme
Onion review of Spectre. Would actually have been a better film!
http://v.theonion.com/onionstudios/video/3424/640....
http://v.theonion.com/onionstudios/video/3424/640....
The big problem with films these days is they are designed to convert into portentous trailers, and when you come to the film, it's just like watching the trailers strung together, with no attempt to deliver the story and complexity that the trailers hinted at. It's very very lazy.
There were many good things about this movie, not least the cars. Q got the best lines. The sets. The actors. But to me they were all wasted through a poor script.
There were far too many 'Bond' tropes, masquerading as clever in-jokes.
Far too many impressive sound bites which led nowhere - 'you are going somewhere there is no mercy'....' The Pale King'. If you are going to use lines like that you have got to take the story somewhere that lives up to them. Instead the story just jumped to the next set piece. IE the next scene from a trailer, with very little to connect it to what ad just happened.
The villain's lair in the desert - been there done it seen it explode.
Bond walking straight into an obvious trap. It was done in Skyfall, but at least there they had a plot line to justify it. In Spectre he just does it again and again on the assumption that he is always going to be able to fight his way out.
Elaborate fight scenes, like the initial helicopter which are a. Gratuitous and b. Go on far too long, actually quite boring.
Bond goes rogue. Like he did in Cr in QoS and in Skyfall. What exactly are they paying the scriptwriters for? To sift through old Bond movies and stitch together a series of classic scenes? It's not actually terribly clever at all.
It wasnt a bad film, but it was a waste of the talents of Daniel Craig and especially Christoph Waltz whose character wasn't developed at all. Just set up as a super villain them allowed to become completely banal.
There were many good things about this movie, not least the cars. Q got the best lines. The sets. The actors. But to me they were all wasted through a poor script.
There were far too many 'Bond' tropes, masquerading as clever in-jokes.
Far too many impressive sound bites which led nowhere - 'you are going somewhere there is no mercy'....' The Pale King'. If you are going to use lines like that you have got to take the story somewhere that lives up to them. Instead the story just jumped to the next set piece. IE the next scene from a trailer, with very little to connect it to what ad just happened.
The villain's lair in the desert - been there done it seen it explode.
Bond walking straight into an obvious trap. It was done in Skyfall, but at least there they had a plot line to justify it. In Spectre he just does it again and again on the assumption that he is always going to be able to fight his way out.
Elaborate fight scenes, like the initial helicopter which are a. Gratuitous and b. Go on far too long, actually quite boring.
Bond goes rogue. Like he did in Cr in QoS and in Skyfall. What exactly are they paying the scriptwriters for? To sift through old Bond movies and stitch together a series of classic scenes? It's not actually terribly clever at all.
It wasnt a bad film, but it was a waste of the talents of Daniel Craig and especially Christoph Waltz whose character wasn't developed at all. Just set up as a super villain them allowed to become completely banal.
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