TV licence

[The Moose]

ADEuk said:

The Moose said:

Watchman said:

The Moose said:

If top gear starts at 8pm, are you able to start the show at (say) 8:05 so you're not watching that part whilst being broadcast? Or does the whole show have to be over?

Not sure if you've a method to accomplish this other than iPlayer but iPlayer doesn't provide a cached programme until it has completely finished.

My mistake then. I thought you could do that. Apologies!

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

[BrownBottle]

The BBC has for a long time made the best tv in the world, look at the worldwide success of top gear and award winning stuff like the blue planet etc.

There are cable channels Dave, Eden etc that basically survive by showing old BBC programmes, top gear, yes minister, faulty towers the list is endless.

Radio 2 DJs are generally all top drawer as well.

I understand people wanting to opt out but I just can't get on board with the hate for the BBC.

[craig_m67]

BrownBottle said:

The BBC has for a long time made the best tv in the world, look at the worldwide success of top gear and award winning stuff like the blue planet etc.

There are cable channels Dave, Eden etc that basically survive by showing old BBC programmes, top gear, yes minister, faulty towers the list is endless.

Radio 2 DJs are generally all top drawer as well.

I understand people wanting to opt out but I just can't get on board with the hate for the BBC.

^this^

You don't realise how good (all)the BBC is until you live somewhere else in the world and are unable to access it (legally/easily). It's an amazing service and easily one of the best content creator and broadcasters on the planet.

[silverthorn2151]

The OP refers to 'the way the BBC behaves'.

What way. Give us a specific example please?

[Funk]

craig_m67 said:

^this^

You don't realise how good (all)the BBC is until you live somewhere else in the world and are unable to access it (legally/easily). It's an amazing service and easily one of the best content creator and broadcasters on the planet.

Your argument is a little redundant as those of us who're licence-free DO live without it. The only BBC output I've watched in the last few years has been the odd PMQ on iPlayer and even that I could live without if it wasn't there.

[Richyboy]

Haven't had a tv licence for years, most stuff is available online.

I reckon sooner or later the beeb will start adding on the licence to the internet provider fee. They must be losing young people in the droves, who are fed up with the force-fed drivel.

[Watchman]

ADEuk said:

The Moose said:

Watchman said:

The Moose said:

If top gear starts at 8pm, are you able to start the show at (say) 8:05 so you're not watching that part whilst being broadcast? Or does the whole show have to be over?

Not sure if you've a method to accomplish this other than iPlayer but iPlayer doesn't provide a cached programme until it has completely finished.

My mistake then. I thought you could do that. Apologies!

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

Got a link please? That would be useful.

[2013BRM]

silverthorn2151 said:

The OP refers to 'the way the BBC behaves'.

What way. Give us a specific example please?

I am fed up with their bias, spoon fed Green propaganda and bloody abysmal standards of reporting, it has got to the stage that I resent supporting it

[2013BRM]

Willy Nilly said:

Condi said:

parkem50 said:

watching TV in somewhere like America is painful.

Yup. As much as the BBC is sometimes a pain in the arse, its 10000x better than CNN, Fox, or almost any other ad-paid channel. Watching US or Ozzie TV can be cringworthy; almost every 'item' is a promotion or product placement even within the shows themselves, before you even get to the 6 or 8 breaks an hour, rather than 2 on the BBC or 4 on ITV etc.

We are very lucky with the standard of the TV we get here. Dont take it for granted.

OP, go and spend some time in the US, watch their telly and report back. The BBC is pretty good really.

I spend nearly every working day in another country, I have travelled extensively to the US in the past and acknowledge the TV is ste there. This isn't a competition about who has the worst TV it's about me not wanting to support an organisation that blatantly flouts its impartiality according to the Charter it is supposed to abide by. When I come home I catch up on the news and watch films, so that involves Sky, RT, AJ and, for a laugh, the BBC

[McSam]

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I find it very odd that a huge number of us (myself included) were extremely hacked off that the BBC was no longer able to cover every F1 race live. And now here we are saying we wouldn't miss them if they disappeared entirely / we don't want to give them any money / insert different tinfoil hat reason here?

Even as poor students in this house, with all the tech you can imagine to put downloaded, YouTube or on-demand stuff on our TV, we still pay the TV licence because the BBC is bloody good and some things you want to watch as they happen.

[The Moose]

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

[Mr Pointy]

The Moose said:

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?

[ADEuk]

Mr Pointy said:

The Moose said:

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?

It doesn't record. If you switch on your pc at 8pm and go to thee bbc website you can start watching from upto 2hrs previously. However, as you can't 'rewind' without first starting from live, then yes you need a licence

[ADEuk]

Watchman said:

Got a link please? That would be useful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

[Watchman]

I didn't know that. I had previously tried to watch Top Gear after it had started only to find it was not available and remained so until some time after the broadcast had finished. I hadn't seen the "live" bit before.

Thanks. Useful..!!

[StevieBee]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The BBC co invests in Film 4 and also shares production facilities with C4. Ownership may not be the correct term but there exists very close commercial and managerial connections between the two organisations.

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I could use the same argument about libraries. I don't use them so why should I have to pay for them? I don't mind paying because I accept and understand that their existence adds a certain layer of 'depth' to society and that many others do benefit from them being there.

If your only judgement as to the relevance and quality of the BBC is based upon subjective opinion as to the theatrical competency of actors on EastEnders or whether or not you find Chris Evans of Ken Bruce annoying, you are not looking at a much bigger and much richer picture.

As I said previously, it puts out an enormous amount of crap but because of the way it works, doing this means that when it gets to something good, it's very, very good.

[The Moose]

Mr Pointy said:

The Moose said:

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?

Not on BBC iPlayer you don't. What's hard to understand about that?

[Mr Pointy]

The Moose said:

Mr Pointy said:

The Moose said:

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?

Not on BBC iPlayer you don't. What's hard to understand about that?

In your scenario if at 8:15pm you go to the iPlayer site & select channels then select BBC Two the only way to see TG is to hit the 'Watch Live' link which takes you to the current on air programme at he point it is currently being broadcast. You are watching live & therefore need a licence. The fact that the player allows you to scroll back 15 minutes to see the the start of the programme is irrelevant. The programme (Top Gear) is still being transmitted & you are watching it live as it goes out.

If you don't use the 'Watch Live' functionality but only the catch up feature you don't need a licence.

Your argument about the definition of live being anything not now is ridiculous. Where do you want to define as 'now'. Out of the server port? Then after the first synchroniser it's one frame late so by your argument not live. how about after leaving White City? It will be several frames later by now. How about after coding & mux? Now it's several seconds later so it's really not live. How about after going over to Sky & being remuxed onto their platform? Now it's getting really late - more seconds of delay. How about when it reaches Scotland? Did you you know they get the signal later than London? Hooray, all Scots don't need a licence because they aren't watching 'live' TV.

[BoRED S2upid]

Funk said:

Your argument is a little redundant as those of us who're licence-free DO live without it. The only BBC output I've watched in the last few years has been the odd PMQ on iPlayer and even that I could live without if it wasn't there.

What do you watch / listen to if you have avoided all BBC TV, sport, match of the day, radio, news...

[The Moose]

Mr Pointy said:

The Moose said:

Mr Pointy said:

The Moose said:

McSam said:

The Moose said:

ADEuk said:

You can watch bbc tv live on the web and rewind up to 2 hours,

I thought I recalled something like that. Do you need a tv licence for that?

Yes, because this would be a recording/delay of a live transmission. The rules aren't hard to figure out!

I was under the impression that the rules were that you couldn't watch a live transmission as it was broadcast but you could watch it "on demand" so to speak.

If Top Gear starts at 8pm and I want to watch it, starting at 8:15pm, surely I'm not watching it live, as it's broadcast?

To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?

Not on BBC iPlayer you don't. What's hard to understand about that?

In your scenario if at 8:15pm you go to the iPlayer site & select channels then select BBC Two the only way to see TG is to hit the 'Watch Live' link which takes you to the current on air programme at he point it is currently being broadcast. You are watching live & therefore need a licence. The fact that the player allows you to scroll back 15 minutes to see the the start of the programme is irrelevant. The programme (Top Gear) is still being transmitted & you are watching it live as it goes out.

If you don't use the 'Watch Live' functionality but only the catch up feature you don't need a licence.

Your argument about the definition of live being anything not now is ridiculous. Where do you want to define as 'now'. Out of the server port? Then after the first synchroniser it's one frame late so by your argument not live. how about after leaving White City? It will be several frames later by now. How about after coding & mux? Now it's several seconds later so it's really not live. How about after going over to Sky & being remuxed onto their platform? Now it's getting really late - more seconds of delay. How about when it reaches Scotland? Did you you know they get the signal later than London? Hooray, all Scots don't need a licence because they aren't watching 'live' TV.

That is kind of my point - does that mean that for a very long program (4 or 5 hours, say) that is broadcast all in one go you have to wait until the end of the program before you can watch it online?

I'm not arguing about the definition of 'now', I'm asking for clarification and what you said ("To timeshift a live programme means you have to record it, so you need a licence. What's hard to understand about that?") didn't apply to the scenario I had in mind.

The reality is that I'm going to continue paying my TV Licence like the good little troglodyte that I am. I'm just curious.