Clarkson in trouble again...

[northwest monkey]

LuS1fer said:

Lowtimer said:

Why? They have decided they can't afford the risk of employing him any more in case he decks someone else, but they never said they wanted to expunge him from history.

If you fire someone for thumping a fellow employee would you go round your business and all your customers undoing all the deals that person did, demolishing all the walls they built, buying back everything they sold, or whatever it was they did?

Yeah, bring back Jim'll Fix it!

And It's a Knock Out.

"Bring on the Belgians"

[Toaster]

mygoldfishbowl said:

Ffs. He has not been sacked.

Yes you are right his contract was not renewed and not allowed to screen the last three shows (sounds like sacking to me) but just think, if he had of renewed the contract it would probably have been terminated isn't that equivalent of being sacked.

Lets just pretend he is a jolly fellow who's contract was just stopped

[LuS1fer]

Toaster said:

Yes you are right his contract was not renewed and not allowed to screen the last three shows (sounds like sacking to me) but just think, if he had of renewed the contract it would probably have been terminated isn't that equivalent of being sacked.

Lets just pretend he is a jolly fellow who's contract was just stopped

They hadn't made the last 3 shows.
The contract was always going to expire. It wasn't renewed. It wasn't terminated.
And it's had have....and whose....and Let's.
he may not always be jolly but he can write.

Edited by LuS1fer on Wednesday 15th April 18:13

[George111]

Toaster said:

Lets just pretend he is a jolly fellow who's contract was just stopped

Not stopped . . . it had days to run and the BBC could have taken the view that they wanted to terminate (stop) it early - they didn't - they permitted him to stay in contract until the expiry date and simply not renewed it, just like you can do with your broadband. Terminate early if there has been a breach of contract or terminate early with a payment to compensate for early termination, or just not renew it at the end of the term.

None of those are "being sacked" - not even by any stretch of the imagination. And they could have terminated early if they wanted to, but they didn't.

[paranoid airbag]

George111 said:

Not stopped . . . it had days to run and the BBC could have taken the view that they wanted to terminate (stop) it early - they didn't - they permitted him to stay in contract until the expiry date and simply not renewed it, just like you can do with your broadband. Terminate early if there has been a breach of contract or terminate early with a payment to compensate for early termination, or just not renew it at the end of the term.

None of those are "being sacked" - not even by any stretch of the imagination. And they could have terminated early if they wanted to, but they didn't.

They're very relevant differences - if you're one of the beeb's or clarkson's lawyers. Otherwise, it's a pretty handy term for "no longer wish to continue giving you money".

Top Gear reruns have just started appearing front and center on my netflix...

[DanielSan]

TG has been on Netflix for ages.

[George111]

paranoid airbag said:

George111 said:

Not stopped . . . it had days to run and the BBC could have taken the view that they wanted to terminate (stop) it early - they didn't - they permitted him to stay in contract until the expiry date and simply not renewed it, just like you can do with your broadband. Terminate early if there has been a breach of contract or terminate early with a payment to compensate for early termination, or just not renew it at the end of the term.

None of those are "being sacked" - not even by any stretch of the imagination. And they could have terminated early if they wanted to, but they didn't.

They're very relevant differences - if you're one of the beeb's or clarkson's lawyers. Otherwise, it's a pretty handy term for "no longer wish to continue giving you money".

I appreciate that. The point is that the BBC could have "sacked" him if they wanted to or felt they needed to, but they didn't, they let his contract expire and decided not to renew it. (Obviously legally non-contentions and free of any lawyer fees !)

[carl_w]

George111 said:

Not stopped . . . it had days to run and the BBC could have taken the view that they wanted to terminate (stop) it early - they didn't - they permitted him to stay in contract until the expiry date and simply not renewed it, just like you can do with your broadband. Terminate early if there has been a breach of contract or terminate early with a payment to compensate for early termination, or just not renew it at the end of the term.

None of those are "being sacked" - not even by any stretch of the imagination. And they could have terminated early if they wanted to, but they didn't.

Except he remained suspended for the remainder of the contract and wasn't allowed to complete the three remaining shows.

[Toaster]

carl_w said:

George111 said:

Not stopped . . . it had days to run and the BBC could have taken the view that they wanted to terminate (stop) it early - they didn't - they permitted him to stay in contract until the expiry date and simply not renewed it, just like you can do with your broadband. Terminate early if there has been a breach of contract or terminate early with a payment to compensate for early termination, or just not renew it at the end of the term.

None of those are "being sacked" - not even by any stretch of the imagination. And they could have terminated early if they wanted to, but they didn't.

Except he remained suspended for the remainder of the contract and wasn't allowed to complete the three remaining shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_termination_of_employment I think he was sacked he didn't resign......his contract was suspended and had it only been recently renewed it would have been terminated

[johnxjsc1985]

Toaster said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_terminati... I think he was sacked he didn't resign......his contract was suspended and had it only been recently renewed it would have been terminated

but it wasn't renewed was it it had days to run.

[Toaster]

johnxjsc1985 said:

but it wasn't renewed was it it had days to run.

Exactly and in my book thats being sacked call it what you want but the BBC didn't /couldn't condone what he had done

The director general quite rightly sent a clear message to the corporation and staff (given the scrutiny the BBC is under)

"After a physical altercation accompanied by sustained and prolonged verbal abuse of an extreme nature. For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations"

if JC gets to work with another company and produces another show he may, just may be a little more respectful, I am not saying he should not be employed or have his career ended but you cannot have individuals behaving that way in any company particularly senior individuals who hold power.

[johnxjsc1985]

Toaster said:

Exactly and in my book thats being sacked call it what you want but the BBC didn't /couldn't condone what he had done

The director general quite rightly sent a clear message to the corporation and staff (given the scrutiny the BBC is under)

"After a physical altercation accompanied by sustained and prolonged verbal abuse of an extreme nature. For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations"

if JC gets to work with another company and produces another show he may, just may be a little more respectful, I am not saying he should not be employed or have his career ended but you cannot have individuals behaving that way in any company particularly senior individuals who hold power.

your book doesnt really count because it called not having your contract renewed and thousands of people encounter this each year.
the BBC had the chance to sack him so why didnt they if it was as clear cut as you think.
You say "if" he get to work ...are you for real?. He will be mulling over the many offers right now.
You dont have to like him but at least accept the reality of the situation .
How about Hammond and May have the renewed their contracts?.

[Europa1]

Toaster said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

but it wasn't renewed was it it had days to run.

Exactly and in my book thats being sacked call it what you want but the BBC didn't /couldn't condone what he had done

The director general quite rightly sent a clear message to the corporation and staff (given the scrutiny the BBC is under)

"After a physical altercation accompanied by sustained and prolonged verbal abuse of an extreme nature. For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations"

if JC gets to work with another company and produces another show he may, just may be a little more respectful, I am not saying he should not be employed or have his career ended but you cannot have individuals behaving that way in any company particularly senior individuals who hold power.

The only problem with the above being that the BBC proved it to be bks by pressing on with the Top Gear Live shows, just under a different name.

[Toaster]

johnxjsc1985 said:

your book doesnt really count because it called not having your contract renewed and thousands of people encounter this each year.
the BBC had the chance to sack him so why didnt they if it was as clear cut as you think.
You say "if" he get to work ...are you for real?. He will be mulling over the many offers right now.
You dont have to like him but at least accept the reality of the situation .
How about Hammond and May have the renewed their contracts?.

yup but those thousands have not been physically and mentally abusing a fellow worker (I assume) so they are not being sacked. The reality is his contract was cut short and not renewed (sacked)

So JC was sacked pretty it up all you like but the shows were stopped because the BBC could not condone the behaviour of one aggressive presenter who for whatever reason could not control himself shame but there you have it.

Sure JC may have job offers and one wonders why he Pulled out of HIGNFY (maybe Ian Hislop did not want a pen thrown at him again or JC not wanting to repeat throwing a pen at him)

Ok you can change the If to when

As long as he doesn't punch or shout at me I am neutral about the man

Hammond and May...well they are big boys I am sure they will be fine in whatever they decide to do.....they didn't do the punching or shouting.

[Toaster]

Europa1 said:

The only problem with the above being that the BBC proved it to be bks by pressing on with the Top Gear Live shows, just under a different name.

Its a view but the BBC have said no TG branding or associating with the BBC, I think thats fair and reasonable they have disassociated themselves whilst still allowing 'fans' to see the trio I don't have an issue with that seems quite balanced. Whilst some have said that there is BBC material out their for these shows I suspect it stuff printed pre the incident.

[Europa1]

Toaster said:

Europa1 said:

The only problem with the above being that the BBC proved it to be bks by pressing on with the Top Gear Live shows, just under a different name.

Its a view but the BBC have said no TG branding or associating with the BBC, I think thats fair and reasonable they have disassociated themselves whilst still allowing 'fans' to see the trio I don't have an issue with that seems quite balanced. Whilst some have said that there is BBC material out their for these shows I suspect it stuff printed pre the incident.

Disassociated apart from the fact that it's a BBC Worldwide production, BBC Worldwide will trouser the cash and will pay Jeremy Clarkson his fee. Seems at odds with the Director General's statement when announcing the non-renewal of Jeremy Clarkson's contract.

[Toaster]

Europa1 said:

Disassociated apart from the fact that it's a BBC Worldwide production, BBC Worldwide will trouser the cash and will pay Jeremy Clarkson his fee. Seems at odds with the Director General's statement when announcing the non-renewal of Jeremy Clarkson's contract.

I take it you have a copy of the contract that details this then