Clarkson in trouble again...
Discussion
George111 said:
We may never find out but given there was "20 minutes of verbal" going on before Clarkson punched/pushed/etc the producer, I'd bet the producer was giving some verbal back. Who stands there and takes 20 mins of being shouted at ? It's clear we don't know the full facts, even now, but I don't believe even Clarkson would harangue somebody for 20 mins if they weren't giving back as good as they got.
It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
How on Earth does that justify the response? The level of victim blaming going on here is staggering.It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
The rules do not seem to apply to everyone, though.
It might have happened a long time ago, but apparently it was OK to bite a colleague and then be promoted.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/mar/24/broad...
It might have happened a long time ago, but apparently it was OK to bite a colleague and then be promoted.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/mar/24/broad...
Edited by ecurie on Wednesday 25th March 19:21
Durzel said:
George111 said:
We may never find out but given there was "20 minutes of verbal" going on before Clarkson punched/pushed/etc the producer, I'd bet the producer was giving some verbal back. Who stands there and takes 20 mins of being shouted at ? It's clear we don't know the full facts, even now, but I don't believe even Clarkson would harangue somebody for 20 mins if they weren't giving back as good as they got.
It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
How on Earth does that justify the response? The level of victim blaming going on here is staggering.It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
Pathetic. JC was an entertainer on TG - he overplayed his hand more than once. He is not JC. Lennon was also wrong. Onwards & upwards, for all.
Edited by Mermaid on Wednesday 25th March 19:27
Durzel said:
George111 said:
We may never find out but given there was "20 minutes of verbal" going on before Clarkson punched/pushed/etc the producer, I'd bet the producer was giving some verbal back. Who stands there and takes 20 mins of being shouted at ? It's clear we don't know the full facts, even now, but I don't believe even Clarkson would harangue somebody for 20 mins if they weren't giving back as good as they got.
It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
How on Earth does that justify the response? The level of victim blaming going on here is staggering.It's probably not as even as 50:50 but had the producer done his job properly and made sure there was food the whole thing would probably never happened.
Get over it - Clarkson is not a rancid, violent, gangster, he's a TV presenter who lost his rag with a colleague who was supposed to have done his job and didn't. I'm not suggesting Clarkson was right but abandoning top gear because of one fracas is pathetic. The sandle wearing hand wringing leftie cretins have won the battle but lost the war.
I just can't understand how the fracas arose in the first place. In my experience if an organisation is spending a lot of money at a hotel (which I assume TG was) then if they tell the hotel to jump, they jump, so why ws there apparently no hot food for a crew and presenters ho had been working hard all day?. It seems strange that nothing of the background has come out so that we can judge for ourselves whether or not the producer was partly to blame for the situation, even though you can't tolerate violence at work.
Edited by Justin Case on Wednesday 25th March 19:58
One thing that has occurred to me is that how do all these footballers repeatedly get away with swearing, spitting, kicking, biting and stamping each other? They get a slap on the wrist, sent off, sometimes a bit of a match ban.
They do it all in public, often with International TV coverage and nobody really gives a monkeys. Top role models...
They do it all in public, often with International TV coverage and nobody really gives a monkeys. Top role models...
Clarkson punched someone, that sealed his fate with the BBC.
Danny Cohen could have handled it much much better.
Oisin is going to be remembered for this, no matter what he does from now on
We lost out on the 3 last eps of Top Gear
Everyone is a looser here.
Oh and some people are crazies = Oisin death threats.
Plod should arrest them.
Danny Cohen could have handled it much much better.
Oisin is going to be remembered for this, no matter what he does from now on
We lost out on the 3 last eps of Top Gear
Everyone is a looser here.
Oh and some people are crazies = Oisin death threats.
Plod should arrest them.
dukeboy749r said:
loudlashadjuster said:
No words.
Just defies any form of decent response.Tools doesn't quite sum up people like that.
AlexRS2782 said:
dukeboy749r said:
loudlashadjuster said:
No words.
Just defies any form of decent response.Tools doesn't quite sum up people like that.
It's a shame top gear as we know it is dead, maybe we will get a bright new dawn, or maybe the bbc will ditch it altogether.
I liked it in a daft way, some stuff was very good, some not. Personally the road trips in cheap cars were the best bits.
But at the end of the day clarkson has finished it. I wonder underneath how the other two feel about losing £500k a year jobs possibly
I liked it in a daft way, some stuff was very good, some not. Personally the road trips in cheap cars were the best bits.
But at the end of the day clarkson has finished it. I wonder underneath how the other two feel about losing £500k a year jobs possibly
DanielSan said:
Agree, apart from one thing. The altercation took place out of work hours so why should it be dealt with by the employer?
Our company worked on a year long project which saw a good number of staff having to work in Ireland on a regular basis. We were all staying in the same hotel and I'm sure if I had decked a colleague in the hotel bar of an evening I wouldn't have a job. It may technically be out of working hours, but you are still in a semi work situation where your company will expect the staff to act professionally whilst working away.It's a bit like works Christmas nights out. Go too far or cause a drunken fight I'm sure the boss would want a word come Monday morning.
I will miss Top Gear, but Clarkson brought this on himself. I don't see the BBC had any choice than take the action they did. No matter what May and Hammond decide to do about TG I think it would be a mistake for them to team up with Clarkson again. They would be far better concentrating on their own careers than going through an imitation top gear type programme on a different channel as I doubt it would be as successful as TG. Now TG is over its time for new programme ideas.
It wouldn't surprise me if Oisin contributed more to the overall quality of top gear than Jeremy did in many ways.
Lots of people didn't watch it for JC and won't miss him, even if they'll miss the show (me included). I think he had a talented team behind him and took far too much of the credit.
With the TG staff and the budget it had, it could be much better with a little imagination but the BBC aren't likely to manage it.
Lots of people didn't watch it for JC and won't miss him, even if they'll miss the show (me included). I think he had a talented team behind him and took far too much of the credit.
With the TG staff and the budget it had, it could be much better with a little imagination but the BBC aren't likely to manage it.
ch108 said:
... an imitation top gear type programme on a different channel ...
But it won't be will it? It will be the real thing, with the same presenters, the same production team, probably in the same studio at the same test track, the only difference is it won't be called TG!The imitation will be the one that the BBC try to do, with different presenters, that will be called TG, that no-one will watch ... will be the imitation.
So if the beeb hold all the rights to TG, and May and Hammond decide to clear off as well. The BBC could regard the TG product as damaged goods that cannot be repaired and will want to cut their losses.
So along come ITV with a big fat cheque book, buy TG off the beeb, all three presenters sign for ITV and normal service is resumed. Brilliant.
So along come ITV with a big fat cheque book, buy TG off the beeb, all three presenters sign for ITV and normal service is resumed. Brilliant.
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