Louis Theroux - New Series

[Challo]

hairykrishna said:

WY86 said:

The whole earning 6 figures a month doing onlyfans i don’t believe to be true, they may have had a month but to be consistently hitting that number is just not realistic.

I can believe a couple do. Mia Malkova has 10 million Instagram followers and hundreds of thousands on Twitch. She could easily have some 10's of thousands of subscribers at 10 dollars a pop, plus the earnings from additional paid content.

Like YouTube I suspect it's a bit of a scam, where a handful of people are raking it in but the vast majority of people producing content make naff all.

They will be a lot of people not making much from it, but a lot of people will also be making very good money.

[MC Bodge]

Driver101 said:

I think most of the women that end up in the sex trade already have problems. They just get used to being abused, discarded and treated like pieces of st.

You'd assume so. It's hardly something that somebody would do if they had high self-esteem or potential elsewhere.

I did wonder what the back story of the young woman that the dodgy French guy "inducted" into the industry was.

[Steamer]

Back on BBC iplayer:

Louis Theroux Interviews: Pete Doherty


Really enjoyed that Pete seems a bit more humble these days...

... although you can tell perfectly clearly 'It' never leaves you.

[SteBrown91]

Steamer said:

Back on BBC iplayer:

Louis Theroux Interviews: Pete Doherty


Really enjoyed that Pete seems a bit more humble these days...

... although you can tell perfectly clearly 'It' never leaves you.

We enjoy the PD episode.

My girlfriend was like "Is it wrong that I find that Pete Doherty comes across better than Anthony Joshua?" (Previous Episode)

[mcbook]

I'm not really sure what Louis is getting from these people in the latest round of interviews. It doesn't feel like he's getting anything over what a normal interviwer would get. I think his best stuff comes when he disarms the subject over a long period of time. They eventually break down and reveal themselves as crazy or just get so comfortable with him that they put all the cards on the table. This stuff isn't bad, it's just not great. Throwaway TV imo.

[Kamov]

Just watched the PD interview, having known quite a lot about the actor guy who died at a party Pete was present at, personally I believed he had something to do with it and the interview here only confirmed that.
Its pretty clear he had an altercation and one of his enforcers took it upon themselves (allegedly in my own opinion) to literally throw they guy out of the party, the guy confessed but then retracted it and the police being the police (see Jimmy Saville) seem bowled over by fame.

The rest of the interview showed he doesn't really love his wife, is about to die, isn't really a recovered druggie, he just has an injection to stop heroin working if he took it.
I don't like druggies at all never have, so if they happen to be famous or not makes no difference.
I felt Louis was in awe of him so as much as i enjoyed it, i think he should of showed a bit more of what he got up the night of that festival gig.
It felt a lot like the Saville interview in so much as between the lines its pretty clear it was coordinated to make him look like some wise old genius who had left his old way behind him, but in truth to me behind the façade its a rough relationship with his wife.

I did like the bit where him and Carl are in the hotel room looking like some old IT contractors on a jolly, then cuts to them getting into the minibus in their 'rock star fancy dress outfits'.
Literally a costume, 'tonight Matthew I'm going to be..........'

I do also have issue having said that, that they are even rock stars, they were in some cruddy indie band which because of his pathetic lifestyle people were drawn to him, he's no Keith Richards, Charles Bukowski or Jackson Pollock that's for sure.
Honestly, I hate the guy and hate that band.
I didn't watch it to like him, and I wasn't left disappointed, I look forward to hearing about his heart attack or relapse....

For clarity he stepped over the spasming body of a guy who had been thrown (or fell, if you must) from a balcony after he had just been pinned against the wall by him.
And as he ran off down the road the guy's last breaths were being taken....
Horrible bloke, who some idiots thought was some sort of hero, a Poundland sage who fooled people into thinking reciting poetry whilst on heroin by actual deep thinking genius's made him one..... it doesn't.
A man very much of that time....................

Edited by Kamov on Thursday 16th November 14:02

[Portofino]

Kamov said:

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Edited by Kamov on Thursday 16th November 14:02

Good post. I watched it out of curiosity as apart from the drugs I don’t know much about PD.

But when he was talking about the death of that fella I was willing him to stop, his manner and his eyes gave a lot away that it almost ended up being a confession.

I was also amazed at how fat his fingers were! He was bloated but I didn’t know fingers were also affected.

[Mezzanine]

I’m not sure I watched the same program but PD certainly didn’t come across as a wise old genius at any point - he looked and sounded like a complete fk-up.

And I didn’t get the vibe Louis much liked him either, certainly not the same connection he had with AJ last week.

I cannot disagree with you in terms of PD as a person and Libertines as a band/movement - you are spot on. Couldn’t stand him then or now (no pun intended) the whole rock and roll romance about him (because he was some ‘flawed’ genius) was appalling - he was just another junkie that those same people would step over in the street.

[Kamov]

Mezzanine said:

I’m not sure I watched the same program but PD certainly didn’t come across as a wise old genius at any point - he looked and sounded like a complete fk-up.

And I didn’t get the vibe Louis much liked him either, certainly not the same connection he had with AJ last week.

I cannot disagree with you in terms of PD as a person and Libertines as a band/movement - you are spot on. Couldn’t stand him then or now (no pun intended) the whole rock and roll romance about him (because he was some ‘flawed’ genius) was appalling - he was just another junkie that those same people would step over in the street.

Yeah I meant 'wise old genius' as in his 'fans' will lap this up, I actually used to be in a band and went to Art college and spent some time in London around these types in that era and I knew one guy who was obsessed with PD to the point where he got himself a heroin and crack addiction, he literally got into it from his love of PD, suddenly he went from someone who wanted his band to be famous to someone who thought he already was and could skip the whole band part altogether.....
Now no way am I absolving him from HIS choices, it was all on him PD can't be blamed for that at all, but still it gives me a marker of the sort of people who will still hold PD in high regard....

[MC Bodge]

I saw some of it as my wife was watching it.

Carl looked to be off his tits.

The pair of them look like old men.

I never understood their fame back then either. They are not exactly The Beatles or Stones.

[Richard-390a0]

I'm sure P.D wants something more positive than the "Pete who killed my son?" doc being the most recent thing in peoples memories as The Libertines are due back out on tour soon...

[Kamov]

Richard-390a0 said:

I'm sure P.D wants something more positive than the "Pete who killed my son?" doc being the most recent thing in peoples memories as The Libertines are due back out on tour soon...

Yep in recovery that would certainly be classed as a test, and going by the filmed bit of that almost pastiche speedhead that was offering to get high with him (which was all a bit Partridge outside a travel lodge) and PD seemingly happy to engage, i think he'll fail.
I mean if he doesn't fail it will almost all look a bit fake, wife and baby in France, Pete touring with the libertines in his fancy dress outfits, without the drugs and debortuary what's really left? Some mildly catchy songs which were by their design dated when they were 'new' and some bloated bloke and Carl and some others we can never remember the names of.

This will sound really bad, but some famous people should of died young and Pete is one of them, his schtick was never getting old eating cheese in France.
I love James Dean, but had he not of died in that car crash would he of just been Robert Redford?

Anyway, sorry if I've been a bit nasty, lost our family dog of 13 years today and about to have to break the news to my 13 year old son (they were in separable, grew up together) and I'm feeling it.... sort of vented at Pete and feel marginally bad about it....

[Richard-390a0]

Kamov said:

sort of vented at Pete and feel marginally bad about it....

F*ck him I say & any bad karma that may befall him is deserved after seeing the clip of him & his mates step over that dead or dying chap & run off into the night laughing & joking.

[Kamov]

Richard-390a0 said:

F*ck him I say & any bad karma that may befall him is deserved after seeing the clip of him & his mates step over that dead or dying chap & run off into the night laughing & joking.

Agreed. Just so happened to be a bloke he'd just had a spat with in the very same premises.
This interview reminded me a lot of the Kurt Cobain documentary called Montage of heck, in so much as when you get the reality of heroin users its disgusting and an utter waste, the more kids and adults see that a famous and or rich Heroin user lives about the same as any heroin user, its just that they don't need to steal to get the gear.

PD in his heyday lived in a squalid crack den basically, Cobain lived a squalid life as the raw home video footage shows in the documentary I mentioned.
There is no glamour, there is no talent there, the talent is put aside in pursuit of scoring, there is no 'without this we wouldn't have x album, or x painting or x poem', its made up romanticised guff, without the heroin we'd have far more artistically valuable works from both Cobain and PD.

My hero Artist Jean Michel Basquiat died of a heroin overdose, he wasn't a great Artist because of the heroin, we were robbed of a greater Artist because of it though.
The media lies and makes heroin use in famous people some sign of a deeper meaning.

Anyway, clearly this was a good interview as its got a reaction from me and its good to be reminded of why heroin is so disgusting.

I say all of this as person who used to drink to excess and have done to odd line of coke and odd ecstasy pill here and there in my younger days.
I stopped drinking 10 years ago, i do have an addictive personality but i think all of that is over blown and just an excuse.
I honestly think that Grange Hill and Samo story line put me off heroin for life, i always grew up with a fear of it, so i just didn't ever have any, once got offered a crack pipe at some bohemian Artists gallery after party and told them to eff off.

For me we are far too soft in the whole 'i'm an addict its an illness ', sorry no its not.
I was addicted to the buzz of drinking and partying and playing the tortured Artist, I could blame the drink for my behaviour back then, my 'addiction' but on reflection I was just a bit of a knob, and sadly in sobriety I am still a bit of a knob because there isn't a cure for being a knob.
I wasn't an addict, i am though, a bit of a knob.

A better example is 'i'm a sex addict', well quite, pity you weren't addicted to sex with your wife then instead of getting caught knobbing prostitutes...

Edited by Kamov on Thursday 16th November 18:31

[macp]

Mezzanine said:

I’m not sure I watched the same program but PD certainly didn’t come across as a wise old genius at any point - he looked and sounded like a complete fk-up.

And I didn’t get the vibe Louis much liked him either, certainly not the same connection he had with AJ last week.

I cannot disagree with you in terms of PD as a person and Libertines as a band/movement - you are spot on. Couldn’t stand him then or now (no pun intended) the whole rock and roll romance about him (because he was some ‘flawed’ genius) was appalling - he was just another junkie that those same people would step over in the street.

I feel the same. Admittedly I dont know a lot about PD. But the whole thing had a feeling of melancholy. As for Louis I think he could interview a potato and make it interesting. Just my opinion.

[768]

mcbook said:

I'm not really sure what Louis is getting from these people in the latest round of interviews. It doesn't feel like he's getting anything over what a normal interviwer would get. I think his best stuff comes when he disarms the subject over a long period of time. They eventually break down and reveal themselves as crazy or just get so comfortable with him that they put all the cards on the table. This stuff isn't bad, it's just not great. Throwaway TV imo.

I fear this series is going down that route. Although I felt AJ's mask slipped a little with Louis.

I couldn't stand PD when anyone knew who he was. But this felt like ogling a sad, decrepit man, weeping at time being called early on a life wasted. Calling for a break with AJ felt like it underlined that he had a figure of strength riled, on the ropes, here it felt more like he was looking after him out of a duty of care. No attack concealed by an illusion of naivety to expose the hidden core of the subject.

I'm not sure there's anyone better than Louis at what he does best, this isn't quite hitting the mark for me. He's probably making more money on less time away so I'll try not to begrudge him too much.

[Mezzanine]

It’s essentially just a filmed version of his podcast.

[mcbook]

768 said:

I fear this series is going down that route. Although I felt AJ's mask slipped a little with Louis.

I couldn't stand PD when anyone knew who he was. But this felt like ogling a sad, decrepit man, weeping at time being called early on a life wasted. Calling for a break with AJ felt like it underlined that he had a figure of strength riled, on the ropes, here it felt more like he was looking after him out of a duty of care. No attack concealed by an illusion of naivety to expose the hidden core of the subject.

I'm not sure there's anyone better than Louis at what he does best, this isn't quite hitting the mark for me. He's probably making more money on less time away so I'll try not to begrudge him too much.

Absolutely don't grudge him doing this type of show, it's still good entertainment. If I had the choice of going overseas for 6 weeks of filming with a weirdo or getting home for dinner with family every night, I know which one I'd choose!

[Kamov]

I re-watched the Saville documentary, insane watching when you know what he actually was.
I know Louis has denied it since, but he knew the rumours at that point for sure.

Same as with this PD one, I think it was about showing people what a guy with a guilty conscience looks like, without having to worry about getting sued.

[birdcage]

I don't think that's true, PD hasn't actually committed a criminal act has he?