Louis Theroux - New Series

[chelseablue96]

louis is ace. i used to think he was gay but hes not,its just the way he acts. one that winds me up though is the americans who do go abit ott. saying that though the show wouldnt be the same.

[VolvoT5]

chelseablue96 said:

louis is ace. i used to think he was gay but hes not,its just the way he acts. one that winds me up though is the americans who do go abit ott. saying that though the show wouldnt be the same.

Gay people 'act' a certain way do they?

The fact that he is married with kids probably reduces the odds he is gay somewhat as well....

[Halb]

VolvoT5 said:

The fact that he is married with kids probably reduces the odds he is gay somewhat as well....

In this day and age anyway...one would hope.
No more lives of sad lies. Which is what would have been ahead for those kids not so long ago.

[chelseablue96]

VolvoT5 said:

Gay people 'act' a certain way do they?

The fact that he is married with kids probably reduces the odds he is gay somewhat as well....

i have to admit some do act gay by the way they talk and act. others do not. it doesnt bother me whos gay, its a free world. im only saying if anyones never seen louis theroux before would they think he was gay? i work with a guy who acts gay and is open about also a lesbian who looks lesbian also. you can just tell sometimes thats what i mean. im not calling anyone for doing so.

[VolvoT5]

chelseablue96 said:

i have to admit some do act gay by the way they talk and act. others do not. it doesnt bother me whos gay, its a free world. im only saying if anyones never seen louis theroux before would they think he was gay? i work with a guy who acts gay and is open about also a lesbian who looks lesbian also. you can just tell sometimes thats what i mean. im not calling anyone for doing so.

Are you 12?

[chelseablue96]

VolvoT5 said:

Are you 12?

Am i 12? im not even going to answer that pathetic comment.

[Oakey]

chelseablue96 said:

Am i 12? im not even going to answer that pathetic comment.

You're 18, right?

[Lost soul]

On radio 5 live this morning they were talking about gender reassignment in the young they quoted case's in young children are up 30% in the last year , what is driving this massive increase I wonder ?

[nicanary]

Lost soul said:

On radio 5 live this morning they were talking about gender reassignment in the young they quoted case's in young children are up 30% in the last year , what is driving this massive increase I wonder ?

I suspect some of the kids are being "over-analysed" by well-meaning parents. It's really not unusual for very young boys to play with girls' toys - it doesn't mean they need to BE girls. I have no problem with the concept that some people are born with hormone irregularities (or whatever it is), and I sympathise with gender dysmorphia, but I'm starting to get suspicious about how many young people are now getting "diagnosed" by experts who seem unusually keen to move things on.

[p2c]

Lost soul said:

On radio 5 live this morning they were talking about gender reassignment in the young they quoted case's in young children are up 30% in the last year , what is driving this massive increase I wonder ?

The slow progress whereby being trans is not as unsavory as it once was. There are still plenty of discrimination and bigots out there and the media still has some way to go in using better language and terminology when addressing trans issues, but for the most part the jerry springer and freak show aspect of trans people in the media is being left in the last century and even the last decade.

Its not just trans children where there has been a massive rise in people seeking treatment, its happening in adults too. Trans children only represent 6% of trans patients, the majority of trans adults report knowing from an early age something was up, so a good chunk of 94% of trans children are going undetected and not diagnosed or treated. With a 41% attempted suicide rate among trans people that's not good enough

[nicanary]

As I posted my comments above, on the TV was Countdown, with a contestant called Charlotte who quite clearly was born male. Coincidence.

[Lost soul]

nicanary said:

I have no problem with the concept that some people are born with hormone irregularities (or whatever it is), and I sympathise with gender dysmorphia, but I'm starting to get suspicious about how many young people are now getting "diagnosed" by experts who seem unusually keen to move things on.

exactly right , its almost become some kind of a weird fashion statement or so it seems

[p2c]

Lost soul said:

nicanary said:

I have no problem with the concept that some people are born with hormone irregularities (or whatever it is), and I sympathise with gender dysmorphia, but I'm starting to get suspicious about how many young people are now getting "diagnosed" by experts who seem unusually keen to move things on.

exactly right , its almost become some kind of a weird fashion statement or so it seems

There is a huge increase in elderly dementia patients too, is that fashionable or is it just better understanding and treatment of the condition.

No one, even in these "enlightened" times would chose to be transgender.

[Lost soul]

p2c said:

There is a huge increase in elderly dementia patients too, is that fashionable or is it just better understanding and treatment of the condition.

No one, even in these "enlightened" times would chose to be transgender.

No its not but you know what I mean I think , its like the next big thing it seems

[p2c]

Lost soul said:

p2c said:

There is a huge increase in elderly dementia patients too, is that fashionable or is it just better understanding and treatment of the condition.

No one, even in these "enlightened" times would chose to be transgender.

No its not but you know what I mean I think , its like the next big thing it seems

If you mean there is a trend of increasing numbers revealing themselves and starting to live lives in their true gender, you are correct. the same way there is a trend in more older people seeking help for dementia. Both of which i would suggest are being driven by less stigma about the subject in society and greater willingness for GP's to help and refer patients who present with either condition.

But by saying its fashionable it implies its a choice being made for superficial reasons, to fit in, be part of a crowd etc. I would however agree that it may be becoming fashionable for the media to represent trans issues and mostly in a more positive light which is a good thing, but the people whose lives are behind the story's being trans to be fasionable, no way.

[Lost soul]

p2c said:

If you mean there is a trend of increasing numbers revealing themselves and starting to live lives in their true gender, you are correct. the same way there is a trend in more older people seeking help for dementia. Both of which i would suggest are being driven by less stigma about the subject in society and greater willingness for GP's to help and refer patients who present with either condition.

I guess it could be just as simple as that yes

[Art0ir]

Can you expand upon the "true gender" bit? I'll admit to be entirely ignorant of the science surrounding this.

[nicanary]

I think we're getting away from the point that some of these kids were very young. They don't know their own mind at that stage - how many of us have done something we were told not to do, just to test the veracity of the matter? Such as - don't touch that, it's hot. At which point half of normal kids will touch it, to see if it is hot.

They can't make a rational decision, nor explain properly their feelings. It seemed to me that some of the parents in the documentary were making the dangerous assumption that their offspring knew as much about gender/emotions as they did themselves. Of course the doctors agreed - they stood to make money out of it.

The point in a human's life when they begin to understand themself, their sexuality, their relationship with others is puberty. These kids will never reach that stage, and for them there is no option.

[Lost soul]

nicanary said:

I think we're getting away from the point that some of these kids were very young. They don't know their own mind at that stage - how many of us have done something we were told not to do, just to test the veracity of the matter?

In a way that is my point , that the parents were taking everything so seriously and playing up to the kids requests demands

[p2c]

You have to consider what harm is it doing.

In order to appreciate that you need to know the WPATH guidelines (the set of rules all doctors world wide are expected to adhere to when treating trans people) They do not allow surgical or hormonal intervention until much later in life. Puberty blockers can be started when a child reaches tanner stage 2 of puberty, cross gender hormones can be introduced at 16 and surgery at 18.

By the time a child has identified as trans through childhood, early puberty and the early teens when all their peers develop and they get a real taste of life in their chosen gender, if they get to that point at 16 still thinking its the right thing then it probably is. If at any stage they change their mind everything is reversible until some time into cross hormone therapy, coming off the puberty blockers just lets the birth sex puberty re start. Before the blockers its just a social transition.

The other option of denying letting the child express themselves is an unhappy child and then we get into the statistics of self harm, suicide etc which i have already mentioned.

So on balance it is better to let a happy little boy mistakenly be a girl for a while and provide lots of embarrassing photos for the wedding speeches until they realize their error, and apparently a lot do realize. Than it is to fight that same child and force them into a role, or worse still fight a genuinely trans child to self harm and suicide.