Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
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Patent said:
The last 25 minutes of this film will be a CGI snoozefest - exactly the same as the first one but with more protagonists.
Really not looking forward to it at all. [bold]And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?[/bold]
My thoughts exactly, Lex is tall, bald, highly intelligent, with a big heavy build and menacing presence in the comics. They've never managed to do him justice in any of the films really, bizarrely opting to make him a comedy villain mostly but this is worse. A small scrawny long haired kid who looks about 12, what were they thinking?Really not looking forward to it at all. [bold]And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?[/bold]
Guvernator said:
Patent said:
The last 25 minutes of this film will be a CGI snoozefest - exactly the same as the first one but with more protagonists.
Really not looking forward to it at all. [bold]And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?[/bold]
My thoughts exactly, Lex is tall, bald, highly intelligent, with a big heavy build and menacing presence in the comics. They've never managed to do him justice in any of the films really, bizarrely opting to make him a comedy villain mostly but this is worse. A small scrawny long haired kid who looks about 12, what were they thinking?Really not looking forward to it at all. [bold]And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?[/bold]
His look in the trailer is going to play out one of two ways; he'll either be an eccentric genius who slips into a dark broody Lex at the end of the film or (and the one I believe) he puts the quirky behavior on as a visard and behind closed doors he is a cold, calculated sociopath. Remember that Lex is a charismatic man of the people in public and an evil nutter when out of the public eye.
This image sold Jesse Eisenberg to me:
The baddie looks pretty bad now you've pointed out the troll similarity...oh dear...
FFS, what were they thinking?!!?
A few days ago I would have said this was my 2nd most looked forward to hero film of next year after the earlier trailer....now all of that has been washed away. I may watch it, may not, but my interest has now been eroded.
As for Lex, I thought Hackman was an awesome, Lex. Big fella, smart, funny.
FFS, what were they thinking?!!?
A few days ago I would have said this was my 2nd most looked forward to hero film of next year after the earlier trailer....now all of that has been washed away. I may watch it, may not, but my interest has now been eroded.
The Beaver King said:
HewManHeMAn is right as well though. They offered Bale an obscene amount of money to come back and he rejected it. Annoyingly, he has since come out and said that, in hindsight, he should have taken it as he feels Batman is 'his' role.
Have you got a link?As for Lex, I thought Hackman was an awesome, Lex. Big fella, smart, funny.
Edited by Halb on Friday 4th December 10:05
Halb said:
Have you got a link?
LinkThis article covers the 'U-turn' as such. There were hundreds of articles on the run up to the casting announcement that DC/WB were desperate for Bale to come back on board. He rejected it (rumors of typecasting fears/Nolan not directing etc) and they went for Affleck.
Halb said:
As for Lex, I thought Hackman was an awesome, Lex. Big fella, smart, funny.
Far too much comedy slapstick, especially with (but not restricted to) his interactions with his sidekick, which hugely eroded his menace for me. It was mildly amusing admittedly but it wasn't Lex.Edited by Halb on Friday 4th December 10:05
Guvernator said:
Far too much comedy slapstick, especially with (but not restricted to) his interactions with his sidekick, which hugely eroded his menace for me. It was mildly amusing admittedly but it wasn't Lex.
Yeah. Didn't like Spacey though. And I cannot stand the Jessie casting. But we shall see.The Beaver King said:
Link
This article covers the 'U-turn' as such. There were hundreds of articles on the run up to the casting announcement that DC/WB were desperate for Bale to come back on board. He rejected it (rumors of typecasting fears/Nolan not directing etc) and they went for Affleck.
That just says that Bale was rankled when he found out he wouldn't be reprising the role, not that he turned it down.This article covers the 'U-turn' as such. There were hundreds of articles on the run up to the casting announcement that DC/WB were desperate for Bale to come back on board. He rejected it (rumors of typecasting fears/Nolan not directing etc) and they went for Affleck.
Halb said:
That just says that Bale was rankled when he found out he wouldn't be reprising the role, not that he turned it down.
Just internet rumouring according to the man himself.....http://screenrant.com/batman-christian-bale-superm...
Patent said:
Just internet rumouring according to the man himself.....
http://screenrant.com/batman-christian-bale-superm...
Nice article.http://screenrant.com/batman-christian-bale-superm...
Seems it was quite complex (aren't most things). Scotched the idea himself...unless the conditions were right.
I would think, considering how hapless the DC board seem to be, they just wanted the novelty factor of a new, bigger name. It may have been the right choice.
With regards to possible doomsday on a sci fi article site:
However seeing as this doomsday has laser vision\blast, i wonder if this isnt some hybrid of Bizarro and Zod?? and is in fact just the throw away villain of this piece, with the insects seen carrying guys away parademons of Darkseid being seen as a wonder woman lasso of truth vision.
Hmm
However seeing as this doomsday has laser vision\blast, i wonder if this isnt some hybrid of Bizarro and Zod?? and is in fact just the throw away villain of this piece, with the insects seen carrying guys away parademons of Darkseid being seen as a wonder woman lasso of truth vision.
Hmm
I really don't get the love for the Nolan batman films. Batman begins was excellent, but Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises were average (with the exception of the Heath Ledger who was a very good joker). The idea of it being more realistic is laughable. I think some people confuse a dark and gritty tone with realism. It was a reasonable trilogy but definitely not something to base a comic universe around.
I have had high hopes for this movie as right form the start there has been talk of addressing the whole scale destruction of Man of Steel. I was hoping the heroes would have been trying to reduce the collateral damage and act like, well heroes... Several shots from the trailer show yet more city wide CGI destruction. Its a shame because the sneak peek from a couple of days ago looked pretty interesting, but the trailer has undone that completely.
The piece of sales training that always stays with me is this: "Sell the sizzle. Not the Sausage" I think that should be applied to film marketing. Look at two recent trailers.
1. Star Wars - Doesn't really tell you very much about the story, but really whets your appetite for what the film will be like.
2. Captain America: Civil War: Takes a different approach and tells us more about the plot, a brief look at some new characters and some outstanding looking action sequences.
Both make you more excited (the sizzle) about the movie and increase anticipation of what we are going to get. (the sausage).
Now look at the Dawn of justice trailer: Pretty much the whole plot can be discerned from what we see, thus giving us the sausage straight away. The reveal of doomsday is a real error (whoever pointed out the troll comparison is spot on) we know that the Batman vs Superman bit is actually going to be a relatively small part of the movie and the JLA vs Doomsday being the main event. It doesn't so much make me want to see the movie, but rather hope that it wont be a train wreck.
I will definitely be going to see all three films, but now the least hope for this one. Hope I am wrong.
I have had high hopes for this movie as right form the start there has been talk of addressing the whole scale destruction of Man of Steel. I was hoping the heroes would have been trying to reduce the collateral damage and act like, well heroes... Several shots from the trailer show yet more city wide CGI destruction. Its a shame because the sneak peek from a couple of days ago looked pretty interesting, but the trailer has undone that completely.
The piece of sales training that always stays with me is this: "Sell the sizzle. Not the Sausage" I think that should be applied to film marketing. Look at two recent trailers.
1. Star Wars - Doesn't really tell you very much about the story, but really whets your appetite for what the film will be like.
2. Captain America: Civil War: Takes a different approach and tells us more about the plot, a brief look at some new characters and some outstanding looking action sequences.
Both make you more excited (the sizzle) about the movie and increase anticipation of what we are going to get. (the sausage).
Now look at the Dawn of justice trailer: Pretty much the whole plot can be discerned from what we see, thus giving us the sausage straight away. The reveal of doomsday is a real error (whoever pointed out the troll comparison is spot on) we know that the Batman vs Superman bit is actually going to be a relatively small part of the movie and the JLA vs Doomsday being the main event. It doesn't so much make me want to see the movie, but rather hope that it wont be a train wreck.
I will definitely be going to see all three films, but now the least hope for this one. Hope I am wrong.
My tuppence worth.
It looks to me like what we are going to get is effectively a re-run of Superman v Zod (if Doomsday has Zod's DNA which appears to be the case what with the heat vision etc he appears to have). Only this time it's to be preceded by a bit of a quarrel between Superman and Batman with WW thrown in for the female/horny bloke audience.
Ultimately it'll all come down to the proto-JLA fighting what is effectively another Kryptonian (yawn) with Batman coming to appreciate that collateral damage against a super-being is inevitable and unavoidable and how he was perhaps a little harsh on Supes at the outset.
Eisenberg playing Lex Luthor like a version of the Joker is likewise troubling.
The trouble with a Superman-type hero is you struggle to think of a villain who can realistically challenge him let alone a whole bunch of Super-heroes so you always gravitate back to a Kryptonian.
It looks to me like what we are going to get is effectively a re-run of Superman v Zod (if Doomsday has Zod's DNA which appears to be the case what with the heat vision etc he appears to have). Only this time it's to be preceded by a bit of a quarrel between Superman and Batman with WW thrown in for the female/horny bloke audience.
Ultimately it'll all come down to the proto-JLA fighting what is effectively another Kryptonian (yawn) with Batman coming to appreciate that collateral damage against a super-being is inevitable and unavoidable and how he was perhaps a little harsh on Supes at the outset.
Eisenberg playing Lex Luthor like a version of the Joker is likewise troubling.
The trouble with a Superman-type hero is you struggle to think of a villain who can realistically challenge him let alone a whole bunch of Super-heroes so you always gravitate back to a Kryptonian.
Edited by 2hoots on Friday 4th December 12:38
2hoots said:
Does nobody have even the merest of criticisms of the completely garbage CGI'd Doomsday???
Looks like a cross between a LOTR troll, Abomination from the MCU and Michael Bay's TMNTs. Just another generic muscle bound monster to be likely killed off after a CGI fest battle.Pity - the comic book renditions of this character are far more interesting and unique.
Guvernator said:
Bale was a good Batman (for what it's worth, I thought the films where very dry and boring) but I don't think he would fit into the new Superman world DC are trying to create. We've gone from Nolan's semi-realism to CGI monsters within two films.
I loved the realism of the three films, I think I can understand why you say they're dry, but I love 'em for that quality.2hoots said:
Eisenberg playing Lex Luthor like a version of the Joker is likewise troubling.
The trouble with a Superman-type hero is you struggle to think of a villain who can realistically challenge him let alone a whole bunch of Super-heroes so you always gravitate back to a Kryptonian.
The trouble with Joker, is that since Jack Nicholson's imaginative and ground -breaking rendition of him way back when, he has overshone every baddie since. DC have just twisted different baddies to be a riff on him, the worst one springing to mind being Tommy-Lee Jone's awful Two-Face.The trouble with a Superman-type hero is you struggle to think of a villain who can realistically challenge him let alone a whole bunch of Super-heroes so you always gravitate back to a Kryptonian.
It's a lack of imagination and balls on the part of the actor/director/studio/suits.
I reckon Jessie will be another riff on this, and will be s
t...but I do wanna be disappointed in my prediction.And I also ink that that is why all/most Superman films suck/are so boring. The fella's a God, he's practically indestructible and one has to bring in...'ooooo kryptonite' everytime to get around it...ffs.
Halb said:
I loved the realism of the three films, I think I can understand why you say they're dry, but I love 'em for that quality.
Realism I can deal with, in fact for those particular films it was the right way to go and the best thing about them, I just found the action scenes very dry. Difficult to explain but you'd get music build up on-screen a close up of Batman's face driving a car, bike etc, Music crescendo and it would cut to Bale standing their looking moody, no wow factor, just dry by the numbers stunts and editing which seemed to make it all look very flat. Fight choreography also felt very stiff and stilted to me, that might have had something to do with the suit but they should have made it more flexible if that was the case, he just doesn't flow or move like a super-ninja. The action scenes just don't POP. For once I found the talky bits more interesting than the action which shouldn't be right for a super-hero movie should it? I just don't think Nolan is very good at directing action.Halb said:
The trouble with a Superman-type hero is you struggle to think of a villain who can realistically challenge him let alone a whole bunch of Super-heroes so you always gravitate back to a Kryptonian.
The trouble with Joker, is that since Jack Nicholson's imaginative and ground -breaking rendition of him way back when, he has overshone every baddie since. DC have just twisted different baddies to be a riff on him, the worst one springing to mind being Tommy-Lee Jone's awful Two-Face.
It's a lack of imagination and balls on the part of the actor/director/studio/suits.
I reckon Jessie will be another riff on this, and will be st...but I do wanna be disappointed in my prediction.
And I also ink that that is why all/most Superman films suck/are so boring. The fella's a God, he's practically indestructible and one has to bring in...'ooooo kryptonite' everytime to get around it...ffs.
Agree that JN's joker has become a massive stereotype which has become a cliche. I have heard rumour that Jessie is playing Lex jnr though so this may allay some of my concern. As for Superman I agree is overpowerdness is an issue but I always prefer that they pit someone at his level against him rather than de-power him. Who wants to see Superman be a human, I want to see him go toe-to-toe with someone as powerful as him and prevail. However the villains up till now have been poor. Despite fighting Zod et al I never once thought he was in real trouble. They need to flesh out the cookie cutter super-villains a bit more so that they feel like they pose a REAL threat. Zod was OK but a bit too cliche and his plan with the gravity devices an unnecessary diversion imo. I preferred the way they handled it in Superman 2The trouble with Joker, is that since Jack Nicholson's imaginative and ground -breaking rendition of him way back when, he has overshone every baddie since. DC have just twisted different baddies to be a riff on him, the worst one springing to mind being Tommy-Lee Jone's awful Two-Face.
It's a lack of imagination and balls on the part of the actor/director/studio/suits.
I reckon Jessie will be another riff on this, and will be s
t...but I do wanna be disappointed in my prediction.And I also ink that that is why all/most Superman films suck/are so boring. The fella's a God, he's practically indestructible and one has to bring in...'ooooo kryptonite' everytime to get around it...ffs.
Edited by Guvernator on Friday 4th December 15:57
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