Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice

[glazbagun]

dom9 said:

kowalski655 said:

who was the guy in pieces? Martian Msnhunter?

Cyborg

I can't believe how poorly the rest of the universe was introduced. I think it was Kevin Smith who said that the film is basically Man of Steel 2 with a justice league advert slapped on. This also means that not only does Lex Luthor know the identities of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, but he also knows who all of the other superfriends are and gave them appropriate symbols. I can't help feel this was a terrible idea.

Compare it to the marvel universe when Tony Stark picks up Captain America's shield in Iron Man 2 (and in the audience you were like "Oh my GOD! It's his shield! This is such an important moment!"... and then he uses it to prop up some piping. ), or when you see Thor's hammer in the middle of a crater at the end of another film. That's all you need, the fans will do the rest. The introduction of the other guys must have been handled by the same people who made the 3 min trailer that tried to spoil the entire film.

[Halb]

THat does seem rather sloppy.
DC are that desperate to get their whole franchise up and running in such a short space of time? Marvel has dedicated over a decade to this.

The thing about Lex knowing who Batman is puzzled me, now that Batman survived SUperman...why doesn't Lex just have Wayne assassinated?

Thinking about it, I also feel the fella in the chair was mishandled. Bruce would forget about him? No scenes with him splitting from Wayne Inc?

[Vincefox]

I'm a huge, huge fan of all things DC and Batman in particular.

But go and look at any scene from an avengers film or, better yet a cast interview. There's your problem.

Snyder was never up to the job. He took the flagship characters from DC, patched together something stealing from the best books and still missed an open goal. He needs to spend less time in the gym and more on script, casting and directing.

[GarryDK]

So finally saw it last night, and I have to admit I thought it was pretty good, my only gripes were

• Batman came across as a bit of an idiot, when really he should be mathodical and intelligent
• Lex was too Jokerish
• Doomsday was far too rushed and could of been made into a movie on its own.
• What was up with the homo erotic Rocky Balboa esc training montage? all it needed as "hearts on fire" and Apollo Creed.

Bits I loved

• Batmans dreams. Amazing proper jaw dropping moment for me.
• I actually liked the Meta Human introduction, just a little bit of a teaser
• Alfred, basically every scene he was in
• the references to the past, which I am assuming will be Suicide Squad movie?

put it in spoiler tags as i dont know if we are openly talking about it yet.

[burger81]

I see the whole mums called Martha as that it triggered in Batman to think of his mother and his loss of parents and not wanting someone else to go through the same pain he had.

That's what gave him a bond with superman.

[ZesPak]

Halb said:

Thinking about it, I also feel the fella in the chair was mishandled. Bruce would forget about him? No scenes with him splitting from Wayne Inc?

I think you missed the bit where Bruce found the returned letters, iirc Lex intercepted him to get the wheelchair guy on his team.

[Halb]

ZesPak said:

Halb said:

Thinking about it, I also feel the fella in the chair was mishandled. Bruce would forget about him? No scenes with him splitting from Wayne Inc?

I think you missed the bit where Bruce found the returned letters, iirc Lex intercepted him to get the wheelchair guy on his team.

I saw that. I just don't see Bruce leaving the wellbeing of a fella he saved directly from Superman's clumsiness in the hands of the personnel department.

[Guvernator]

Halb said:

I saw that. I just don't see Bruce leaving the wellbeing of a fella he saved directly from Superman's clumsiness in the hands of the personnel department.

He's a busy businessman billionaire, not to mention his nocturnal activities as Batman. I'm sure after visiting a few times in hospital and getting a man to sort out some regular cheques\payments that would be that. I wouldn't expect Bruce Wayne to become drinking buddies with him so that bit works ok for me.

Bruce seems genuinely shocked and outraged when he is shown the returned cheques which is a failing on his lackeys part for not bringing it to his attention in the first place.

[glazbagun]

Guvernator said:

He's a busy businessman billionaire, not to mention his nocturnal activities as Batman. I'm sure after visiting a few times in hospital and getting a man to sort out some regular cheques\payments that would be that. I wouldn't expect Bruce Wayne to become drinking buddies with him so that bit works ok for me.

Bruce seems genuinely shocked and outraged when he is shown the returned cheques which is a failing on his lackeys part for not bringing it to his attention in the first place.

Typical PH, it's all the workers fault. Not the Tory 1%er who inherited billions and spends his spare time beating up small time criminals as for fun because noone in society cares about them, when he's not too busy sleeping with models and getting drunk, that is. Ra Ra Ra! etc.

Yeah that bit seemed explained when I saw the film. I was more surprised at how repeatedly stupid Superman was. Not noticing the bomb in the wheelchair, not saving a single person when it did go off, walking into a smoke screen he could have blown away, letting Batman shoot him the second time, not simply lifting Batman up to 10,000 feet to have a "conversation" in the first place, being unable to hear the cries of his Mum, but able to hear Lois both falling from a building and later knocking on a fallen wall in the middle of an apocalypse, not torturing Lex into telling him who knows where his mum is and then torturing them for facts and so on & so forth.

[grumbledoak]

There's no need to list the holes! The main plot basically did not make any sense. Things happened because they had to happen. Other stuff happened to set up the next film/s.

Very poor.

Ben Affleck was very good though, at both roles.

[Pesty]

HTP99 said:

God no; that awful Southern accent!

Bless your heart.

My word what is wrong with you.

[glazbagun]

grumbledoak said:

There's no need to list the holes! The main plot basically did not make any sense. Things happened because they had to happen. Other stuff happened to set up the next film/s.

Very poor.

Ben Affleck was very good though, at both roles.

It's true. But strangely I still like the film, maybe because of Affleck. Maybe I just like seeing Superman smash things up. Where Prometheus makes me angry just thinking about it's flaws.

[grumbledoak]

It was enjoyable - it's a long film and I didn't notice. But it was enjoyable nonsense.

[Beefmeister]

I see that Batfleck has officially been confirmed to be writing and directing his own film now.

[r1flyguy1]

grumbledoak said:

It was enjoyable - it's a long film and I didn't notice. But it was enjoyable nonsense.

Agree entirely, it's a film, short moment of cinematic entertainment, I don't read into it anymore than that, to do so would just create 'what ifs' & ' could haves'

[Motorsport_is_Expensive]

The thing about a movie called BATMAN vs SUPERMAN is that it doesn't have to be engineered to the same level of accuracy as a nuclear submarine.

It's because BATMAN and SUPERMAN are fundamentally fking stupid ideas. They're great, don't get me wrong, I love them to bits. But if you're looking for the kind of attention to detail you'd find in a film like say, Primer or Red Beard? You're going to feel really fking short changed.

And I am absolutely comfortable with that. And I had a great time watching it. Because it's a story about a man that dresses up like a bat having a barney with an alien.

[Quickmoose]

amen.

[SWoll]

Entertaining enough but very lazy at times and badly edited throughout I thought. Everything jumps around far too much without any real explanation and some of the major plot points are laughably badly written. It almost managed to beat the 'rolls-eyes' record set by Prometheus in that regard.

I agree with everyone that Batman/Alfred are the standout's and Superman is quite incredibly dull in comparison. There's just no personality there at all, same goes for Lois lane.

It's a perfect example of a film made by committee and just highlights how much of a rush DC are to get their universe rolling in the wake of what Marvel have achieved.

A shame really as with a few minor tweaks and a longer running time to flesh things out it could have been great. I'm looking forward to the 3 hour, R rated 'Ultimate' cut of the movie that Snyder has mentioned in interviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fsw42prfp8. I get the feeling that's the version he wanted everyone to see as the theatrical cut does look to have be edited in a hurry.

Motorsport_is_Expensive said:

And I am absolutely comfortable with that. And I had a great time watching it. Because it's a story about a man that dresses up like a bat having a barney with an alien.

I agree that over analysing something like this is stupid as it's all ridiculous when you think about it but that's no excuse for it to be so lazy and messy.

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 14th April 15:09

[MiniMan64]

I see the early reviews of Civil War are drawing less than complimentary comparisons to BvS...

[SWoll]

MiniMan64 said:

I see the early reviews of Civil War are drawing less than complimentary comparisons to BvS...

The early reviews do look very good. They have had 10+ films (of varying quality) to build up to it though so they really should know what they are doing by now.