Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Discussion
Guvernator said:
Yep I definitely think the Marvel approach has been a lot more cohesive. The problem as stated before is I think DC have been caught on the hop by how successful and cohesive the MCU has been so now they are desperately trying to play catch-up to get a slice of the action.
It's like the virgin who sees other people getting all the action while they aren't getting any, then when they finally find a willing partner, they blow all their load in 30 seconds.
Yeah, DC have really cocked up their movie universe.It's like the virgin who sees other people getting all the action while they aren't getting any, then when they finally find a willing partner, they blow all their load in 30 seconds.
They've had their name attached to so many half-hearted movie attempts over the years with Batman, Superman and some real dross in the 70s/80s (Obviously ignoring the recent TDK and MoS films).
Marvel have spent years planning their break in to the movie arena and it shows in the quality and structure of films. Not just the individual movies, but the web they weave together. Even Iron Man 2/3 (which are pretty bad for Marvel films) are still decent films.
DC have suddenly cottoned on to the Marvel formula, but are rushing to catch up, instead of a slow build like Marvel.
It's annoying really as I prefer the DC comic universe and would love to see them produce a series of films that tie together akin to the Marvel ones.
Patent said:
Anyone interested in watching the film - don't watch trailer 3!
That's the entire movie summarised into 3 minutes - what were they thinking?!
Yep the more I think about it, the more I am annoyed by this. A friend sent me the link saying Watch this and I just opened it not knowing what it was and now I wish I hadn't, it basically gives away the whole movie, poor poor show.That's the entire movie summarised into 3 minutes - what were they thinking?!
The worst bit is that they had a pre-made universe on the go thanks to Nolan.
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
2hoots said:
Does nobody have even the merest of criticisms of the completely garbage CGI'd Doomsday???
It was a bit of a worry but the films is still months from release so I suspect the Doomsday we've seen is a rush job for the trailer and the finished article will be better, it's happened before with other stuff. The post-production CGI processing can run right up until a couple of weeks before the film is released.
MiniMan64 said:
The worst bit is that they had a pre-made universe on the go thanks to Nolan.
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
Bale turned them down, apparently.If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
I have an opinion of BvS, but it's long, boring, and entirely negative. So I'll not.
Guvernator said:
2hoots said:
Does nobody have even the merest of criticisms of the completely garbage CGI'd Doomsday???
It was a bit of a worry but the films is still months from release so I suspect the Doomsday we've seen is a rush job for the trailer and the finished article will be better, it's happened before with other stuff. The post-production CGI processing can run right up until a couple of weeks before the film is released.HewManHeMan said:
Bale turned them down, apparently.
I hadn't heard that, so went looking. Seems he wanted it."Christian Bale admitted he wanted to play Batman again after The Dark Knight Rises from Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy, though he stated that his Batman does not belong in any other film and he was never approached by Warner Bros. to play the role again."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_v_Superman:_D...
Oh dear...
"On January 17, 2014, it was announced that the film had been delayed from its original July 17, 2015 release date to May 6, 2016, in order to give the filmmakers "time to realize fully their vision, given the complex visual nature of the story". The film's release was moved again to March 25, 2016."
The trailer blows what could have been a big reveal. Just like the last Terminator. The recipe here is simple. Like a 70's Marvel Team up or Brave and Bold comic. Heroes meet, fight, unite, fight, win with a plot thread dangling for the sequel. I don't resent the predictability. Releasing that trailer in that format was foolish and short sighted.
I'd never heard Bale quoted as saying he wanted more Dark Knight. I thought when Nolan moved on he had made clear her was doing the same. That has the ring of truth to me. The top suits at Warners would never have jettisoned the clear Segway to a new movie left at the end of the Dark Knight Rises without good cause.
Those films were the massively successful and they surely would have kept going in that vein of the talent-Nolan and Bale, were up for more. Nolan was given a producer credit on Man Of Steel. That film was, for me, complete gash with a horrible matrix-esque ending and the main character portrayed in a wooden, lumpen in Superman like manner.
I'm a big comic lover but I fear this film will have little for me.
I'd never heard Bale quoted as saying he wanted more Dark Knight. I thought when Nolan moved on he had made clear her was doing the same. That has the ring of truth to me. The top suits at Warners would never have jettisoned the clear Segway to a new movie left at the end of the Dark Knight Rises without good cause.
Those films were the massively successful and they surely would have kept going in that vein of the talent-Nolan and Bale, were up for more. Nolan was given a producer credit on Man Of Steel. That film was, for me, complete gash with a horrible matrix-esque ending and the main character portrayed in a wooden, lumpen in Superman like manner.
I'm a big comic lover but I fear this film will have little for me.
HewManHeMan said:
MiniMan64 said:
The worst bit is that they had a pre-made universe on the go thanks to Nolan.
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
Bale turned them down, apparently.If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
I have an opinion of BvS, but it's long, boring, and entirely negative. So I'll not.
HewManHeMAn is right as well though. They offered Bale an obscene amount of money to come back and he rejected it. Annoyingly, he has since come out and said that, in hindsight, he should have taken it as he feels Batman is 'his' role.
The Beaver King said:
HewManHeMan said:
MiniMan64 said:
The worst bit is that they had a pre-made universe on the go thanks to Nolan.
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
Bale turned them down, apparently.If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
I have an opinion of BvS, but it's long, boring, and entirely negative. So I'll not.
HewManHeMAn is right as well though. They offered Bale an obscene amount of money to come back and he rejected it. Annoyingly, he has since come out and said that, in hindsight, he should have taken it as he feels Batman is 'his' role.
Which is exactly where the Nolan movies left him heading too.
The Beaver King said:
HewManHeMan said:
MiniMan64 said:
The worst bit is that they had a pre-made universe on the go thanks to Nolan.
If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
Bale turned them down, apparently.If the Man of Steel film had somehow tied into that, wow.
Imagine MoS with a few references to Gotham etc. Supes does his final battle. Credits etc Final scene shows Michael Caine surveying the destruction, picks up a phone "Gotham needs you again"
Shows Bale on the other end.
The Internet would have had a collective "moment"
I have an opinion of BvS, but it's long, boring, and entirely negative. So I'll not.
HewManHeMAn is right as well though. They offered Bale an obscene amount of money to come back and he rejected it. Annoyingly, he has since come out and said that, in hindsight, he should have taken it as he feels Batman is 'his' role.
You can see the logic behind the 'universe' they're creating. It'll make a fortune. But they're aping a market that's already been nailed (by Avengers) and trying to expand on an existing (in the form of Nolan Batman) franchise that's grounded in a pseudo realism.
The film will be high concept Hollywood at full throttle, which apparently, for comic book movies, involves CG monsters and all of the characters. It'll be s
t. Just like the Andrew Garfield Spiderman efforts (I did quite like the human elements to those films, mind you). Just like Aliens Vs Predator - low in film craft, high in special effects. In years to come, it'll be forgotten as just being 'a part of' the comic book era. Whilst Nolan's Batman will be remembered as something far more. That said, it'll make all the money in the world. So, in that regard, all power to them.
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