Star Wars: Rogue One

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zb

2,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Bump.

I saw RO mentioned on the IX thread, bit disrespectful to have it tucked away as a byline, when it's the best since Empire (note: I like TFA a lot, and oscillate between that and RO as 3rd best).

I often read how RO is a mediocre film "saved by the Vader 3rd act", yet I often countenance, were these viewers at the pisser during the Ninja battle on Jedha? the raid on the Eadu Imperial Base? the heist and aerial raids on Scarif?

There are only 2 issues I have with RO,

1. The uncanny valley of Tarkin and Leia, which is due to CGI of (around the) eyes IMNHO (I have an idea of how this may be improved).

2. Why the fk wasn't Gareth Edwards given VIII and on (a trilogy of his own?) he gets it.

Anyways, in the words of a youtube reactionary: that was incredible, totally wicked, are you filming this?

9/10

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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zb said:
2. Why the fk wasn't Gareth Edwards given VIII and on (a trilogy of his own?) he gets it.
Some sort of fall out and another director was brought in to reshoot scenes. We may never know the true story.
Similar thing happened on SOlo.

zb

2,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Halb said:
Some sort of fall out and another director was brought in to reshoot scenes. We may never know the true story.
Similar thing happened on SOlo.
It's Kathleen Kennedy then, I not going to go down the path of social media vitriol, however, IMNHO, if TLJ is the sum fruition of her talents, she has a lot to be humble about.

bloomen

6,936 posts

160 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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zb said:
1. The uncanny valley of Tarkin and Leia, which is due to CGI of (around the) eyes IMNHO (I have an idea of how this may be improved).
Watched it again the other day. I found Peter Cushing's resurrection much, much worse than I remembered. He should've stayed in the shadows or been replaced with a real actor.

zb

2,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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bloomen said:
Watched it again the other day. I found Peter Cushing's resurrection much, much worse than I remembered. He should've stayed in the shadows or been replaced with a real actor.
Doesn't age well. its the eyes, real people have subtle (eye flickers) movements that have been failed to be captured here. I noticed it on Disney Christmas Carol earlier too, see Polar Express for reference, I also believe it to be exacerbated, as we know what the real Cushing would have done. Slippers and all.

ajprice

27,623 posts

197 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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bloomen said:
zb said:
1. The uncanny valley of Tarkin and Leia, which is due to CGI of (around the) eyes IMNHO (I have an idea of how this may be improved).
Watched it again the other day. I found Peter Cushing's resurrection much, much worse than I remembered. He should've stayed in the shadows or been replaced with a real actor.
Wayne Pygram (Scorpius in Farscape) played Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith. He could have done it in Rogue One.

jules_s

4,296 posts

234 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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I'd rate RO and Solo above the original films (and way over the sequels and prequels)

The two films stand alone very well - and I would happily applaud them without any knowledge of the franchise

zb

2,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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jules_s said:
I'd rate RO and Solo above the original films (and way over the sequels and prequels)

The two films stand alone very well - and I would happily applaud them without any knowledge of the franchise
Jules, you are a very wise man, and a true star wars fan. (I am absolutely not being patronising), Ron saved Solo, history will be a lot kinder to Solo, than TLJ.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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I watched R1 and enjoyed, am going to watch it tomorrow to see what a rewatch does. It does require having watched the other films though, it doesn't stand alone and is not even in the ball park as SW and EMpire. Though it might stand up better to RotJ. I think it was the most enjoyable SW film I'd watched since Revenge of the Sith.

zb

2,695 posts

165 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Halb said:
I watched R1 and enjoyed, am going to watch it tomorrow to see what a rewatch does. It does require having watched the other films though, it doesn't stand alone and is not even in the ball park as SW and Empire. Though it might stand up better to RotJ. I think it was the most enjoyable SW film I'd watched since Revenge of the Sith.
Halb, Empire, for various reasons, will never be bettered, not in this social media age. You'd never be able to keep a lid on the various tone changes and "twists" for a start.

With that in mind. Empire is, and always shall be #1 in the Star Wars universe.

A New Hope (retrospectively) is #2, it kicked this st off, with a few holes (Han most definitely shot first, fixed by Cassian in RO).

We can then argue about #3, if you say anything other than RO, you are well meaning but wrong. wink

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

84 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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Not seen this since it came out but it still stands as the best new film. A lot of interesting new characters that were quite likeable.
Trouble is they killed a lot of them off in the film.
Now we have all this current dross. A spectacular mistake.

bloomen

6,936 posts

160 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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Fundoreen said:
Trouble is they killed a lot of them off in the film
Disney Plus are bringing back the Mexican bloke's character for his own TV series.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

191 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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ajprice said:
bloomen said:
zb said:
1. The uncanny valley of Tarkin and Leia, which is due to CGI of (around the) eyes IMNHO (I have an idea of how this may be improved).
Watched it again the other day. I found Peter Cushing's resurrection much, much worse than I remembered. He should've stayed in the shadows or been replaced with a real actor.
Wayne Pygram (Scorpius in Farscape) played Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith. He could have done it in Rogue One.
Was that a deleted scene, I don't remember Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith?

Evercross

6,047 posts

65 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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AshVX220 said:
Was that a deleted scene, I don't remember Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith?
He appears briefly at the end surveying the construction of the Death Star.

SS2.

14,468 posts

239 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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AshVX220 said:
ajprice said:
bloomen said:
zb said:
1. The uncanny valley of Tarkin and Leia, which is due to CGI of (around the) eyes IMNHO (I have an idea of how this may be improved).
Watched it again the other day. I found Peter Cushing's resurrection much, much worse than I remembered. He should've stayed in the shadows or been replaced with a real actor.
Wayne Pygram (Scorpius in Farscape) played Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith. He could have done it in Rogue One.
Was that a deleted scene, I don't remember Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith?
It's only a fleeting appearance.

Composite Guru

2,221 posts

204 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Evercross said:
AshVX220 said:
Was that a deleted scene, I don't remember Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith?
He appears briefly at the end surveying the construction of the Death Star.

generationx

6,823 posts

106 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Rogue One was ok but I thought the lead character utterly without charm or personality.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Composite Guru said:
he did look damn good. It should have been him

I dislike the practise of revitalising dead (unless they died onset, a la Ollie Reed) actors, it's tasteless.

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Star Wars programmes on BBC4 tonight starting at 21.00.

Rumblestripe

2,977 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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generationx said:
Rogue One was ok but I thought the lead character utterly without charm or personality.
Do you mean female?