Captain America: Civil War
Discussion
Tony Starks said:
The trouble is IM3 looked like an awesome trailer, but turned into the biggest steaming pile of cow poo ever put to screen, I'd rather only be allowed to watch Adam Sandler films for the rest of my life than watch that again.
Avengers 2 wasn't much better!
I quite liked Iron Man 3, it was a lot better than Iron Man 2. But then I do also like several Adam Sandler films!Avengers 2 wasn't much better!
I agree that Avengers 2 was a bit of a dud.
I think the big problem is when they get a bit "kitchen sink", if they keep the film small we can still relate to the hero.
MiniMan64 said:
Well that's already failed for Sony, at least they were smart enough to get back into bed with Marvel. Fox were heading the same way until they scored a lucky left field hit with Deadpool, a film they hated and surprise surprise made by actual comic book fans.
Marvels great trick so far has been to, where possible, not make "superhero" films, they've made action films , scifi films, political thrillers and comedies that happen to feature heroes. They're hoping to play the same trick with Dr Strange this year and tap into a bit of a mystical/magic/fantasy vibe by the sounds of it.
Well Sony are pushing ahead with the Venom film. Fox still hold the Fantastic Four...though I was never really into them anyway, boring fMarvels great trick so far has been to, where possible, not make "superhero" films, they've made action films , scifi films, political thrillers and comedies that happen to feature heroes. They're hoping to play the same trick with Dr Strange this year and tap into a bit of a mystical/magic/fantasy vibe by the sounds of it.
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frisbee said:
I think the big problem is when they get a bit "kitchen sink", if they keep the film small we can still relate to the hero.
Kitchen sink isn't small?A shame they can't rely on the comics more for existing storylines and keep suit designs from original artwork.
The original spidery suit in civil war was a completely new suit design and featured retractable mechanical arms as well as other types of weopons which spidery never had. He joined the new avengers after civil war started as well as wolverine. Another reason why they should have stuck to the comics
The original spidery suit in civil war was a completely new suit design and featured retractable mechanical arms as well as other types of weopons which spidery never had. He joined the new avengers after civil war started as well as wolverine. Another reason why they should have stuck to the comics
cho said:
A shame they can't rely on the comics more for existing storylines and keep suit designs from original artwork.
The original spidery suit in civil war was a completely new suit design and featured retractable mechanical arms as well as other types of weopons which spidery never had. He joined the new avengers after civil war started as well as wolverine. Another reason why they should have stuck to the comics
A totally new Spidey suit wouldn't work, since we haven't met SPidey before in the MCU. And we haven't seen the film, maybe a third suit appears at the end. Stark likes to fiddle. It seems the traditional suit we see, is the work of Stark, or at least, has Stark tech in it.The original spidery suit in civil war was a completely new suit design and featured retractable mechanical arms as well as other types of weopons which spidery never had. He joined the new avengers after civil war started as well as wolverine. Another reason why they should have stuck to the comics
Wolverine can't be used, or any aspect of X-Men or the Fantastic Four. Which means we get to see the lesser used sorts, which is good!
Not only are we not 'allowed' to see the X-Men and F4 in the current Marvel Universe, I would go so far as saying I don't want too.
I think to appear here they would need to be rebooted to fit (as Spiderman is) and with the amount of successful X-Men movies it's just not needed. And you cannot re-boot Wolverine now. Despite Jackman being about 2ft too tall
he has kind of become the character just as Downy has become Tony Stark.
And also as pointed out, not being able to fall back on 'big names' Marvel are getting creative and introducing far cooler and more unknown (outside of comic) names. Who would have thought we would have an Ant-Man movie with a Dr.Strange movie on the way, not to mention the amazingly awesome Guardians having their second movie being made now
I think to appear here they would need to be rebooted to fit (as Spiderman is) and with the amount of successful X-Men movies it's just not needed. And you cannot re-boot Wolverine now. Despite Jackman being about 2ft too tall
he has kind of become the character just as Downy has become Tony Stark.And also as pointed out, not being able to fall back on 'big names' Marvel are getting creative and introducing far cooler and more unknown (outside of comic) names. Who would have thought we would have an Ant-Man movie with a Dr.Strange movie on the way, not to mention the amazingly awesome Guardians having their second movie being made now
I'm actually a bit pee'd of that the Marvel characters are all over the shop in terms of licensing and who owns who etc. It seems silly to pretend that some major characters just don't exist because some else owns the rights. Not really sure how they ended up in this predicament but it's stupid.
Goes back to when Marvel was a tiny company on the verge of disappearing. Selling the family silverware into a media where they hoped their goodies would prosper.
Things have changed now, but those rights, those precious rights!
In my opinion what Marvel (very new studio) have done with their own product pisses all over from a great height what other studios have done. But the greed will deny the sensible return. It took two successive failures for Spidey to return.
edit.
http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-6-marv...
Things have changed now, but those rights, those precious rights!
In my opinion what Marvel (very new studio) have done with their own product pisses all over from a great height what other studios have done. But the greed will deny the sensible return. It took two successive failures for Spidey to return.
edit.
http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-6-marv...
Tony Starks said:
RoadRunner220 said:
From the trailers I can't see how this film is going to be anything less than brilliant, I can't wait to see it.
The trouble is IM3 looked like an awesome trailer, but turned into the biggest steaming pile of cow poo ever put to screen, I'd rather only be allowed to watch Adam Sandler films for the rest of my life than watch that again. Avengers 2 wasn't much better!
Completely agree with you on IM3 though, that was a massive disappointment.
RoadRunner220 said:
Tony Starks said:
RoadRunner220 said:
From the trailers I can't see how this film is going to be anything less than brilliant, I can't wait to see it.
The trouble is IM3 looked like an awesome trailer, but turned into the biggest steaming pile of cow poo ever put to screen, I'd rather only be allowed to watch Adam Sandler films for the rest of my life than watch that again. Avengers 2 wasn't much better!
Completely agree with you on IM3 though, that was a massive disappointment.
)IM3 had so much potential right until the moment we met "Trevor"..... the movie lost me right there and never won me back (Kingsley was sooooo good as 'The Mandarin' up until that moment)
Avengers 2 was OK but not a patch on the first. It had some very good scenes, the Hulk vs Iron Man fight was a pure delight but Ultron wasn't threatening in the slightest, I just couldn't take his camp theatrics seriously at all. Whoever thought making him the only gay robot in the village would make him more menacing needs shooting?
As for Vision, going to have to disagree with the post above, I thought he was largely ineffective and wasted, not used very well at all.
It also suffered from the bigger must=better syndrome that a lot of sequels in Hollywood suffer from.
As for IM3 what a massive waste of Mandarin, one of IM's best villains, the switcheroo was crap, plain and simple. Again whoever thought that was a good idea needs shooting. The finale with anonymous robots fighting each other was also not great.
I think the problem is when Marvel deliver, they really deliver but when they make just a so-so film, it fairs very badly when compared to the really good ones.
As for Vision, going to have to disagree with the post above, I thought he was largely ineffective and wasted, not used very well at all.
It also suffered from the bigger must=better syndrome that a lot of sequels in Hollywood suffer from.
As for IM3 what a massive waste of Mandarin, one of IM's best villains, the switcheroo was crap, plain and simple. Again whoever thought that was a good idea needs shooting. The finale with anonymous robots fighting each other was also not great.
I think the problem is when Marvel deliver, they really deliver but when they make just a so-so film, it fairs very badly when compared to the really good ones.
Halb said:
I liked IM3.
I'll watch any Marvel film, some of IM3 was good. I love the PTSD scenes with Tony but the action felt a bit flat and Mandarin 
They'd already done a much better IM and War Machine vs lots of enemies battle in IM2, the finale in IM 3 seemed like a rehash only not as good.
The trouble is - with things like Iron Man, cinematically speaking (away from comics where you can develop a bit more depth of narrative) - there is only so many places you can go with a 'grand finale' - and that is ever escalating battles, which all get a sniff samey - just sort of twice the size.
Avengers 2 was just too slick for my tastes. I know product placement has a role and is sort of a necessary evil to get this stuff made, but the Audi stuff was as subtle as a punch in the fizog. As the CGI was just too pretty - it could have benefitted from being a little rawer - all IMHO.
Avengers 2 was just too slick for my tastes. I know product placement has a role and is sort of a necessary evil to get this stuff made, but the Audi stuff was as subtle as a punch in the fizog. As the CGI was just too pretty - it could have benefitted from being a little rawer - all IMHO.
Yeah, the limited style finale has been done to death. MY current fave three GotG, CAWS and Ant-Man, only Ant-Man has that generic finale. But the feel of all three was rather special.
I never read the Infinity Gauntlet when I was a kid, so am not wholly sure hat to expect, but I would think/hope it has more of the above three ingenuity, than a flat out bash-it at the end.
I never read the Infinity Gauntlet when I was a kid, so am not wholly sure hat to expect, but I would think/hope it has more of the above three ingenuity, than a flat out bash-it at the end.
Slightly off topic but there are now, I think, 11 films within the current universe (I'm thinking films where the same characters played by the same actors - Hulk notwithstanding - pop up in each other's films): 3x Iron Man, 2x Captain America, 2x Avengers, 2x Thor, 1x Hulk and 1x Antman. Is there a correct chronological order for the 11 or do a lot of them run alongside each other or doesn't it really matter?
Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Antony Moxey said:
Slightly off topic but there are now, I think, 11 films within the current universe (I'm thinking films where the same characters played by the same actors - Hulk notwithstanding - pop up in each other's films): 3x Iron Man, 2x Captain America, 2x Avengers, 2x Thor, 1x Hulk and 1x Antman. Is there a correct chronological order for the 11 or do a lot of them run alongside each other or doesn't it really matter?
Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Dont forget GOTG.Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Current run is
Stage 1
Ironman
Hulk
Ironman 2
Thor
Cap
Avengers
Stage 2
Ironman 3
Thor 2
Cap 2
GOTG
Avengers 2
Antman
Thats the current running order, not sure if time wise they overlap though.
I've enjoyed most of the Marvel films but have got to the point where I have trouble getting excited at the prospect of seeing them.
Civil War looks like it'll be a good one (especially with the Russo brother at the helm) but I'm far more excited about BvS, Suicide Squad and season 2 of Daredevil this year than I am about seeing Ironman and Cap again. I also don't get the whole spiderman thing, he just isn't that interesting a character and has been done to death in average films for years.
Civil War looks like it'll be a good one (especially with the Russo brother at the helm) but I'm far more excited about BvS, Suicide Squad and season 2 of Daredevil this year than I am about seeing Ironman and Cap again. I also don't get the whole spiderman thing, he just isn't that interesting a character and has been done to death in average films for years.
GarryDK said:
Antony Moxey said:
Slightly off topic but there are now, I think, 11 films within the current universe (I'm thinking films where the same characters played by the same actors - Hulk notwithstanding - pop up in each other's films): 3x Iron Man, 2x Captain America, 2x Avengers, 2x Thor, 1x Hulk and 1x Antman. Is there a correct chronological order for the 11 or do a lot of them run alongside each other or doesn't it really matter?
Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Dont forget GOTG.Mind you, I think it'd be a brave man to binge watch all 11 in order if there is an order!
Current run is
Stage 1
Ironman
Hulk
Ironman 2
Thor
Cap
Avengers
Stage 2
Ironman 3
Thor 2
Cap 2
GOTG
Avengers 2
Antman
Thats the current running order, not sure if time wise they overlap though.
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