Captain America: Civil War
Discussion
Guvernator said:
The thing that bugs me about the Civil war storyline is that the two main characters seem to have picked the wrong sides. I would have imagined it would be the straight laced Army raised Captain who would be all for government control of superheroes and the rather maverick Iron Man who'd be against.
I realise CA's view of government control may have been soured by the events in Winter Soldier but at the end of the day he is a true blue American hero and about as straight laced as they come. I just don't seem him turning against his own government on this one and I don't see Iron Man opting to give the government MORE control as he has proven time and again that he doesn't want the IM technology to fall into their hands. Just seems a bit ar*se about face to me on which side of the line they fall on. Also would you really try to kill your mate over a difference in political views? The plot just seems a bit of a stretch in order to get people who wouldn't normally be in conflict to fight.
That (the sides) is an interesting point. For me it was sufficiently explained though: Cap is driven to do the right thing, no matter what he is told. Eg CA1 where he goes off against orders to rescue the POWs held by the Red Skull, and CA2 where he goes head to head with SHEILD because he thinks it is the right thing to do. I realise CA's view of government control may have been soured by the events in Winter Soldier but at the end of the day he is a true blue American hero and about as straight laced as they come. I just don't seem him turning against his own government on this one and I don't see Iron Man opting to give the government MORE control as he has proven time and again that he doesn't want the IM technology to fall into their hands. Just seems a bit ar*se about face to me on which side of the line they fall on. Also would you really try to kill your mate over a difference in political views? The plot just seems a bit of a stretch in order to get people who wouldn't normally be in conflict to fight.
Stark OTOH signs up through guilt: his company produced weapons until he realised that had to be more tightly regulated to stop them killing so many people; he was responsible for Ultron and he deaths there, and he had a lose up view of the damage in SA caused by the Hulk's Scarlet Witch-induced frenzy.
I saw it on Saturday and I think it's terribly over-hyped. It's no better than BvS. At least in that I felt that Batman really hated Superman so the fights had some spite and venom. This was all mates v mates with no intention of anyone harming anyone save Stark harming The Winter Soldier.
Greg66 said:
That (the sides) is an interesting point. For me it was sufficiently explained though: Cap is driven to do the right thing, no matter what he is told. Eg CA1 where he goes off against orders to rescue the POWs held by the Red Skull, and CA2 where he goes head to head with SHEILD because he thinks it is the right thing to do.
Stark OTOH signs up through guilt: his company produced weapons until he realised that had to be more tightly regulated to stop them killing so many people; he was responsible for Ultron and he deaths there, and he had a lose up view of the damage in SA caused by the Hulk's Scarlet Witch-induced frenzy.
That was my take on it as well. Cap stands up for what is right no matter what. That is "the American way" that they want to portray in the comics. Hence he'd stand up to his own Government. Don't forget America was founded by traitors who stood up to their own government at the time to do what was right. Stark OTOH signs up through guilt: his company produced weapons until he realised that had to be more tightly regulated to stop them killing so many people; he was responsible for Ultron and he deaths there, and he had a lose up view of the damage in SA caused by the Hulk's Scarlet Witch-induced frenzy.
lionelf said:
I saw it on Saturday and I think it's terribly over-hyped. It's no better than BvS. At least in that I felt that Batman really hated Superman so the fights had some spite and venom. This was all mates v mates with no intention of anyone harming anyone save Stark harming The Winter Soldier.
You clearly watched a very different film to me and many others then. Beefmeister said:
lionelf said:
I saw it on Saturday and I think it's terribly over-hyped. It's no better than BvS. At least in that I felt that Batman really hated Superman so the fights had some spite and venom. This was all mates v mates with no intention of anyone harming anyone save Stark harming The Winter Soldier.
You clearly watched a very different film to me and many others then. Guvernator. said:
Also would you really try to kill your mate over a difference in political views? The plot just seems a bit of a stretch in order to get people who wouldn't normally be in conflict to fight.
I felt they did a good job justifying the motives of the main players. The main fight was 'gloves on', trying to subdue the other side, not kill each other. The only ones intent on killing were Black Panther, then Iron-Man, who were after revenge for the death of parents. Personal vengeance, not political ideals.
Beefmeister said:
lionelf said:
I saw it on Saturday and I think it's terribly over-hyped. It's no better than BvS. At least in that I felt that Batman really hated Superman so the fights had some spite and venom. This was all mates v mates with no intention of anyone harming anyone save Stark harming The Winter Soldier.
You clearly watched a very different film to me and many others then. Hopefully Spiderman will be better than the last few films they have released.
TheTrash said:
Beefmeister said:
lionelf said:
I saw it on Saturday and I think it's terribly over-hyped. It's no better than BvS. At least in that I felt that Batman really hated Superman so the fights had some spite and venom. This was all mates v mates with no intention of anyone harming anyone save Stark harming The Winter Soldier.
You clearly watched a very different film to me and many others then. Hopefully Spiderman will be better than the last few films they have released.
GarryDK said:
Went to see it in Imax last night. Bloody brilliant.
Spidey and Antman stole the show for me. Both were excellent, and the airport scene was one of my favourite fight sequences in any MCU movie.
Giant Ant Man was brilliant. Stupid but brilliant. Loved how Spider Man started talking about this "old film called Empire Strikes Back" Spidey and Antman stole the show for me. Both were excellent, and the airport scene was one of my favourite fight sequences in any MCU movie.
Do you reckon Zack Snyder watched it? I imagine him sitting there sobbing as he realises just how badly he f
ked up. The way they explained the different sides arguments was so much more convincing than the retarded I've kidnapped your mum bullst. richtea78 said:
Giant Ant Man was brilliant. Stupid but brilliant. Loved how Spider Man started talking about this "old film called Empire Strikes Back"
Do you reckon Zack Snyder watched it? I imagine him sitting there sobbing as he realises just how badly he fked up. The way they explained the different sides arguments was so much more convincing than the retarded I've kidnapped your mum bullst.
Hes probably brooding in the corner thinking how he can make it less humorous and darker. Do you reckon Zack Snyder watched it? I imagine him sitting there sobbing as he realises just how badly he f
ked up. The way they explained the different sides arguments was so much more convincing than the retarded I've kidnapped your mum bullst. 
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