Captain America: Civil War
Discussion
Civpilot said:
richtea78 said:
I like the films but I'm not a comic book nerd (at least for Marvel) but how can Hulk be above Thor?
Hulks a man who becomes something else when he's angry, but its just a man at the end of the day. Thor is a God! How can you beat someone who is immortal? Cap, Hulk, Iron Man are all humans.
There is one thing though... Thor can bleed so can in theory be beaten. Hulk is indestructible. Remember Banner's comment about trying to commit suicide.. "I got low. I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth... and the other guy spit it out!". So even if you attack Banner... the 'other guy' protects him instantly (as in faster than a bullet). Hulk is always there... anger or otherwise.Hulks a man who becomes something else when he's angry, but its just a man at the end of the day. Thor is a God! How can you beat someone who is immortal? Cap, Hulk, Iron Man are all humans.
Unstoppable force meets immovable object scenario right there. Thor certainly had a lot of trouble in Avengers when he tried to stop Hulk. At best he held his own.
irocfan said:
richtea78 said:
Good point. I do like the Hulk. I didn't know he could pick up Mjolnir. I guess he just over powers the fact he's not a "good" person.
but the Hulk isn't evil either - he's just a force of nature with no agenda?
king hell my life is good
Although Thor is a god, that isn't in the biblical sense, he is the Norse god of thunder so much more in the vein of Greek gods than the Christian version which means he isn't omniscient, omnipresent or any of that other all powerful jazz. He is just EXTREMELY strong and durable but he isn't immortal per se, in the films he gets injured and bleeds and in the comics he has even died.
Hulk on the other hand gets stronger the angrier he gets, his body converts the ambient gamma radiation\energy in the air to give him both strength and mass and there is even some thought that he may be pulling energy from another dimension. In the comics I don't think they've discovered\reached the uppers limits of his strength and durability.
Basically it means they are pretty evenly matched in terms of strength and durability although potentially Hulk could be stronger if he gets angry enough but as stated the authors will often be move the goalposts and play with power levels on a whim.
In terms of whether Hulk can lift the Hammer, in the films he definitely couldn't, at least not yet. The one time he tried he dented a steel floor trying but the hammer didn't move a millimetre. In the comics however he has been shown to pick it up so perhaps this might something we see in the Hulk\Thor film.
Hulk on the other hand gets stronger the angrier he gets, his body converts the ambient gamma radiation\energy in the air to give him both strength and mass and there is even some thought that he may be pulling energy from another dimension. In the comics I don't think they've discovered\reached the uppers limits of his strength and durability.
Basically it means they are pretty evenly matched in terms of strength and durability although potentially Hulk could be stronger if he gets angry enough but as stated the authors will often be move the goalposts and play with power levels on a whim.
In terms of whether Hulk can lift the Hammer, in the films he definitely couldn't, at least not yet. The one time he tried he dented a steel floor trying but the hammer didn't move a millimetre. In the comics however he has been shown to pick it up so perhaps this might something we see in the Hulk\Thor film.
GarryDK said:
Personally I hope Hulk in Thor will lead to Planet Hulk story line.
I originally liked the MCU with Iron Man and Capn America because there was some realism in the stories. Just maybe... it could be possible.Over time they have reverted to the comic story lines so much that the original freshness is lost. Planet Hulk would just complete the circle in this regard.
For a moment I thought you wanted me to take a picture of a God eating custard. 
Marvel did used to have (still I think) a strength ranking system, Thor was always in the top one.
I also had a really really cool comic where a vastly reduced Hulk (grey version) met an upgraded (spiky version) Thing. Now that was a cool fight.
Guvernator said:
Although Thor is a god, that isn't in the biblical sense, he is the Norse god of thunder so much more in the vein of Greek gods than the Christian version which means he isn't omniscient, omnipresent or any of that other all powerful jazz. He is just EXTREMELY strong and durable but he isn't immortal per se, in the films he gets injured and bleeds and in the comics he has even died.
Hulk on the other hand gets stronger the angrier he gets, his body converts the ambient gamma radiation\energy in the air to give him both strength and mass and there is even some thought that he may be pulling energy from another dimension. In the comics I don't think they've discovered\reached the uppers limits of his strength and durability.
Basically it means they are pretty evenly matched in terms of strength and durability although potentially Hulk could be stronger if he gets angry enough but as stated the authors will often be move the goalposts and play with power levels on a whim.
In terms of whether Hulk can lift the Hammer, in the films he definitely couldn't, at least not yet. The one time he tried he dented a steel floor trying but the hammer didn't move a millimetre. In the comics however he has been shown to pick it up so perhaps this might something we see in the Hulk\Thor film.
Hulk and Thor have fought loads of times. One comic I had was pretty cool, Hulk was wary of the hammer, so asked Thor to get rid of it. Thor hurled it as hard as he could (due to the enchantment of return) to give him a few minutes to fight without it.Hulk on the other hand gets stronger the angrier he gets, his body converts the ambient gamma radiation\energy in the air to give him both strength and mass and there is even some thought that he may be pulling energy from another dimension. In the comics I don't think they've discovered\reached the uppers limits of his strength and durability.
Basically it means they are pretty evenly matched in terms of strength and durability although potentially Hulk could be stronger if he gets angry enough but as stated the authors will often be move the goalposts and play with power levels on a whim.
In terms of whether Hulk can lift the Hammer, in the films he definitely couldn't, at least not yet. The one time he tried he dented a steel floor trying but the hammer didn't move a millimetre. In the comics however he has been shown to pick it up so perhaps this might something we see in the Hulk\Thor film.
Marvel did used to have (still I think) a strength ranking system, Thor was always in the top one.
I also had a really really cool comic where a vastly reduced Hulk (grey version) met an upgraded (spiky version) Thing. Now that was a cool fight.
Halb said:
Hulk and Thor have fought loads of times. One comic I had was pretty cool, Hulk was wary of the hammer, so asked Thor to get rid of it. Thor hurled it as hard as he could (due to the enchantment of return) to give him a few minutes to fight without it.
Marvel did used to have (still I think) a strength ranking system, Thor was always in the top one.
I also had a really really cool comic where a vastly reduced Hulk (grey version) met an upgraded (spiky version) Thing. Now that was a cool fight.
Yep they still have a tier system although not sure how "official it is. Thor and Hulk are both top tier in terms of physical strength which is rated at anyone who can lift over 100 tonnes, however neither are top tier in terms of ultimate power as there are some characters which are effectively Gods with a capital G in the true sense of the word, i.e. I am sure there is one instance where a God level character transports Thor in an eyeblink to another part of the world to show how far beneath him he is.Marvel did used to have (still I think) a strength ranking system, Thor was always in the top one.
I also had a really really cool comic where a vastly reduced Hulk (grey version) met an upgraded (spiky version) Thing. Now that was a cool fight.
For example Galactus in the second Fantastic Four film (the one with Silver Surfer) is supposed to be at that cosmic level which is why it was VERY disappointing how they handled him in that film, basically a big tornado taken out like a chump.
Thanos the purple guy who has been quietly pulling the strings in the background in most of the current Marvel films is another cosmic level character, I can't wait to see the Avengers square off against him as he is one TOUGH cookie, that should be a decent fight!
Guvernator said:
Yep they still have a tier system although not sure how "official it is. Thor and Hulk are both top tier in terms of physical strength which is rated at anyone who can lift over 100 tonnes, however neither are top tier in terms of ultimate power as there are some characters which are effectively Gods with a capital G in the true sense of the word, i.e. I am sure there is one instance where a God level character transports Thor in an eyeblink to another part of the world to show how far beneath him he is.
For example Galactus in the second Fantastic Four film (the one with Silver Surfer) is supposed to be at that cosmic level which is why it was VERY disappointing how they handled him in that film, basically a big tornado taken out like a chump.
Thanos the purple guy who has been quietly pulling the strings in the background in most of the current Marvel films is another cosmic level character, I can't wait to see the Avengers square off against him as he is one TOUGH cookie, that should be a decent fight!
I too was hugely disappointed with Galactus...and the whole FF two film franchise in general. They sucked. Not keen on most of the X-Men films too. I tink Marvel are best at their own characters.For example Galactus in the second Fantastic Four film (the one with Silver Surfer) is supposed to be at that cosmic level which is why it was VERY disappointing how they handled him in that film, basically a big tornado taken out like a chump.
Thanos the purple guy who has been quietly pulling the strings in the background in most of the current Marvel films is another cosmic level character, I can't wait to see the Avengers square off against him as he is one TOUGH cookie, that should be a decent fight!
Interestingly, if one looks at the Abrahamic God, Yahwah, he was basically just another thunder God way back when, amongst a load of Gods in the middle East (the bible even references this), but it became corrupted over the decades.
Now I've remembered, it was Odin, Thor's father who put Thor in his place. Yet another disappointment in the movies. Anthony Hopkins plays him well enough but you never get the idea that he is all powerful which he very much is in the comics. They don't seem to be able to translate a lot of the top tier guys and just how unbelievably powerful they are very well, I hope to god they do Thanos justice.
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