Inside Jaguar: Channel 4 28/05/15 @ 2100hrs
Discussion
72twink said:
LM was technically correct, a replica by it's truest definition is "a copy or reproduction produced or supervised by the maker of the original", time and incorrect use has dissolved the word to it's current definition.
That technically makes all cars a replica of the first one off the production line 
In this case all Jaguar have done is do a short run of a car they built a few decades a go, they are still as original as any other Jaguar.The cars lack any race history, but I don't think anyone is trying to pass them off as having that history. These will be well documented and understood for what they are.
That aside if you have the money and desire to own one I doubt you give a s
t what LM thinks of them.98elise said:
72twink said:
LM was technically correct, a replica by it's truest definition is "a copy or reproduction produced or supervised by the maker of the original", time and incorrect use has dissolved the word to it's current definition.
That technically makes all cars a replica of the first one off the production line In this case all Jaguar have done is do a short run of a car they built a few decades a go, they are still as original as any other Jaguar.The cars lack any race history, but I don't think anyone is trying to pass them off as having that history. These will be well documented and understood for what they are.
That aside if you have the money and desire to own one I doubt you give a s
t what LM thinks of them.e21Mark said:
98elise said:
72twink said:
LM was technically correct, a replica by it's truest definition is "a copy or reproduction produced or supervised by the maker of the original", time and incorrect use has dissolved the word to it's current definition.
That technically makes all cars a replica of the first one off the production line In this case all Jaguar have done is do a short run of a car they built a few decades a go, they are still as original as any other Jaguar.The cars lack any race history, but I don't think anyone is trying to pass them off as having that history. These will be well documented and understood for what they are.
That aside if you have the money and desire to own one I doubt you give a s
t what LM thinks of them.I completely understand why it wouldn't qualify.
98elise said:
e21Mark said:
98elise said:
72twink said:
LM was technically correct, a replica by it's truest definition is "a copy or reproduction produced or supervised by the maker of the original", time and incorrect use has dissolved the word to it's current definition.
That technically makes all cars a replica of the first one off the production line In this case all Jaguar have done is do a short run of a car they built a few decades a go, they are still as original as any other Jaguar.The cars lack any race history, but I don't think anyone is trying to pass them off as having that history. These will be well documented and understood for what they are.
That aside if you have the money and desire to own one I doubt you give a s
t what LM thinks of them.I completely understand why it wouldn't qualify.
velocefica said:
celicawrc said:
Program was ok but too much 'tv' bullst thrown in and not enough of the car being manufactured.
My understanding is that however much they try and make out 'they're exactly the same as the 60's ones' no they're not. Many manufacturing processes and substances have been banned since the sixties, asbestos, lead, cadmium etc. Did Jag use all these illegal substances to make the modern six?
Would have liked to see them make the engine block cylinder head etc.....do Jag still have all the tooling to make six one off xk engines? Also i'm no painter, but how can it cost £40k to paint a car!? Looked like they were using regular filler on the body too instead of lead?
I believe he was talking out of his rear end with the £40k paint quote.t thrown in and not enough of the car being manufactured. My understanding is that however much they try and make out 'they're exactly the same as the 60's ones' no they're not. Many manufacturing processes and substances have been banned since the sixties, asbestos, lead, cadmium etc. Did Jag use all these illegal substances to make the modern six?
Would have liked to see them make the engine block cylinder head etc.....do Jag still have all the tooling to make six one off xk engines? Also i'm no painter, but how can it cost £40k to paint a car!? Looked like they were using regular filler on the body too instead of lead?
Edited by celicawrc on Friday 29th May 13:38
Unless someone can explain otherwise
£40K is what it will cost you or I to have them do it.
£40K is not what it costs them.
velocefica said:
celicawrc said:
Program was ok but too much 'tv' bullst thrown in and not enough of the car being manufactured.
My understanding is that however much they try and make out 'they're exactly the same as the 60's ones' no they're not. Many manufacturing processes and substances have been banned since the sixties, asbestos, lead, cadmium etc. Did Jag use all these illegal substances to make the modern six?
Would have liked to see them make the engine block cylinder head etc.....do Jag still have all the tooling to make six one off xk engines? Also i'm no painter, but how can it cost £40k to paint a car!? Looked like they were using regular filler on the body too instead of lead?
I believe he was talking out of his rear end with the £40k paint quote.t thrown in and not enough of the car being manufactured. My understanding is that however much they try and make out 'they're exactly the same as the 60's ones' no they're not. Many manufacturing processes and substances have been banned since the sixties, asbestos, lead, cadmium etc. Did Jag use all these illegal substances to make the modern six?
Would have liked to see them make the engine block cylinder head etc.....do Jag still have all the tooling to make six one off xk engines? Also i'm no painter, but how can it cost £40k to paint a car!? Looked like they were using regular filler on the body too instead of lead?
Edited by celicawrc on Friday 29th May 13:38
Unless someone can explain otherwise
£40K is what it will cost you or I to have them do it.
£40K is not what it costs them.
RobGT81 said:
The 6 cars have FIA homologation so can race in those series, not sure if that covers Le Mans Classic or if they need ACO papers too.
It would be a sad day when brand new cars run in Le Mans classic. I know many disagree with me but if I'm watching historic racing I like the cars to have pedigree and patina not to be brand new versions. Max_Torque said:
All a bit pretentious for me tbh. All the talk of perfection and craftmanship and they have to use an old long handled screwdriver to bend the bonnet catches into place........ Old cars = bodge, always have been, always will be. If you want precision, buy a new F type ;-)
Indeed.Crossflow Kid said:
Interesting program, but the pretentiousness of blingy matching wristwatches and poncey desinger luggage is a bit irksome.
Perhaps if they had spent more time concentrating on the car they would have mounted the exhaust properly (perhaps exaggerated by the camera angle?) and the trim wouldn't have started to fall off on the first test drive.
celicawrc said:
Would have liked to see them make the engine block cylinder head etc.....do Jag still have all the tooling to make six one off xk engines?
I heard that the engines were made by Crosthwaite and Gardiner.......they have quite a pedigree in making historic racing engines.Finally got to see this. The orange peel on the suitcase annoyed me as well but also the fact they 'googled' to see how the seats should look! Surely they should have got their hands on an original and measured and photographed it and poured through factory and Heritage records. I wonder how close these ended up to the original spec (the paint being another example quoted a lot here). However the end result was magnificent however you look at it and whatever you think the cars are or represent.
Also I was surprised and immensely proud to see a picture of my actual old (and currently broken) Jaguar Mark 2 on the wall of the workshop where these were built at Jaguar. My car was used by Jaguar in 1999 for some marketing purposes around the S-Type launch harking back to their Grace, Pace, Space heritage. Amonngst other things, my car was featured on a large, burr walnut (of course) framed poster that was on the wall of every Jaguar dealer and it seems they still have a set of these in the SVO workshop. I only noticed toward the end of the programme I shall have to watch it all again now
Also I was surprised and immensely proud to see a picture of my actual old (and currently broken) Jaguar Mark 2 on the wall of the workshop where these were built at Jaguar. My car was used by Jaguar in 1999 for some marketing purposes around the S-Type launch harking back to their Grace, Pace, Space heritage. Amonngst other things, my car was featured on a large, burr walnut (of course) framed poster that was on the wall of every Jaguar dealer and it seems they still have a set of these in the SVO workshop. I only noticed toward the end of the programme I shall have to watch it all again now
hashluck said:
I wonder how close these ended up to the original spec (the paint being another example quoted a lot here). However the end result was magnificent...
Indeed it was a lovely looking, and presumably driving, car. It just grated to hear all the rubbish about it being exactly as they would have been back in the 60s when for a start you would whack 40 coats on paint (or whatever) on a lightweight! 
RichB said:
hashluck said:
I wonder how close these ended up to the original spec (the paint being another example quoted a lot here). However the end result was magnificent...
Indeed it was a lovely looking, and presumably driving, car. It just grated to hear all the rubbish about it being exactly as they would have been back in the 60s when for a start you would whack 40 coats on paint (or whatever) on a lightweight! Does anyone know how much of the cars was actually produced by Jaguar. I can imagine a long shopping list appearing at Manners, Robeys, Baratts , RS Panels and C&G with x6 of each please. Jaguar then paint it and screw it together. Did Jaguar really cast new door handles etc or just buy them in.
If as I suspect it's a shopping list car then what, other than chassis number watch and suitcase did Jaguar provide for £1m, given you could build one on an original scrapper E type for £200k?
Notwithstanding the above I am glad they are built, the world needs more beauty
If as I suspect it's a shopping list car then what, other than chassis number watch and suitcase did Jaguar provide for £1m, given you could build one on an original scrapper E type for £200k?
Notwithstanding the above I am glad they are built, the world needs more beauty
QI would have liked to have seen more of the engineering problem solving, but it was only an hour long. I'm sure that someone, somewhere, was interested by the marketing self licking lollipops agonising over 'the surprises' as the suitcases, watches and overalls were unveiled.
Mark Evans comes across as either borderline effusive or someone who couldn't say no to that final espresso. Overall though, not too bad at all, and he showed some empathy with the project. When all's said and done though, it's still just a car. I sometimes think the world is going mad.
Mark Evans comes across as either borderline effusive or someone who couldn't say no to that final espresso. Overall though, not too bad at all, and he showed some empathy with the project. When all's said and done though, it's still just a car. I sometimes think the world is going mad.
Whilst I realise Eagle's efforts aren't blessed with the percieved kudos of a 'lightweight chassis number' I know which I'd rather have. Compared to these lightweights, the Eagle is a bit of a bargain, with build quality that is possibly even better? Some of Eagles restorations are simply breathtaking.
This is a only a quarter of the price
http://www.eaglegb.com/cars/1962-etype-series1-com...
This is a only a quarter of the price
http://www.eaglegb.com/cars/1962-etype-series1-com...
Edited by e21Mark on Monday 1st June 09:21
I really enjoyed the show but tbh I'm easily pleased,Top Gear, 5th Gear, The Classic Car Show, Love of Cars and a host of Discovery Bike/Car shows I love them all. Of course it would be nice to have a bit more depth on the engineering side but clearly the shows are aiming for as wide an audience as possible so for every 1 petrolhead there will be 20 viewers who will turn over when things get too techy. So yes they could be better but compared with talent shows, soap operas and cookery shows its viewing heaven.
The car itself was fantastic I'd love to see more manufacturers recreating older models. I see both sides of the original vs recreation but I'm guessing most owners won't be too bothered either way. Luggage, watch and associated trinkets where not needed IMO.
The car itself was fantastic I'd love to see more manufacturers recreating older models. I see both sides of the original vs recreation but I'm guessing most owners won't be too bothered either way. Luggage, watch and associated trinkets where not needed IMO.
Jonsv8 said:
RichB said:
hashluck said:
I wonder how close these ended up to the original spec (the paint being another example quoted a lot here). However the end result was magnificent...
Indeed it was a lovely looking, and presumably driving, car. It just grated to hear all the rubbish about it being exactly as they would have been back in the 60s when for a start you would whack 40 coats on paint (or whatever) on a lightweight! Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff