Inside Jaguar: Channel 4 28/05/15 @ 2100hrs
Discussion
Thought this was a good watch last night TBH.
However, after watching them polish the car to perfection. The amount of "orange peal" on the suitcase paint made annoyed me.
Also, and maybe I missed it being said, but I wondered what the original reason was for not making the last 6 cars in the first place. Was it a superstitious case of not wanting an unlucky 13th car for competition? Or simply not enough buyers at the time?
However, after watching them polish the car to perfection. The amount of "orange peal" on the suitcase paint made annoyed me.
Also, and maybe I missed it being said, but I wondered what the original reason was for not making the last 6 cars in the first place. Was it a superstitious case of not wanting an unlucky 13th car for competition? Or simply not enough buyers at the time?
I guess if you're into Jags and particularly E types, it's an interesting enough project. The repeatedly banging on about cost got a bit tedious for me, as did the whole bespoke watch and luggage and mild peril moments before ad breaks. That's TV though I guess?
Personally I'd have an Eagle over a replica lightweight anyway. Especially a lightweight that's more marketing exercise than race car. If we were talking XJ13 though, that might be another matter. Each to their own though and I hope Danny and his new car are very happy together.
As an aside, my Mrs said the chap from Jaguar is a ringer for Jimmy in Emmerdale.
Personally I'd have an Eagle over a replica lightweight anyway. Especially a lightweight that's more marketing exercise than race car. If we were talking XJ13 though, that might be another matter. Each to their own though and I hope Danny and his new car are very happy together.
As an aside, my Mrs said the chap from Jaguar is a ringer for Jimmy in Emmerdale.
ecsrobin said:
SystemParanoia said:
No possible invites to goodwood with one though..
doomed to be garage queens
Well Aston Martin DP214 5BVY is shown in the programme at Goodwood prior to Lord March calling the Jaguar a replica. 5BVY is also a recreation. doomed to be garage queens
Not to mention many other cars that have appeared there that have very little original bits left, other than an identity.
I's not exactly a surprise though that March would make such a comment......
IMHO, full marks to Jaguar for having the balls to do this, and they are built by Jaguar, using up the original allocated, but not used chassis numbers, so these definitely are NOT replicas......
However, I think they should have been made as per the original batch, and not have been subjected to the Peeble Beach paint jobs, and ghastly matching watch/suitcase trinkets. They might have been taken a bit more seriously as bone-fide racing cars....
I agree, it did seem odd that Jag wanted them to go to owners who would actually drive them; even race them, yet at the same time, lavish them with £40k (and God knows how many kilos) of paint. They've built the ultimate garage queen yet expect people to race them.....should have been built to the same standards as the original 12, for better or worse.
Also, where did they source the engines from? The XK went out of production in '92, so did they still have plenty lying around for the last 20 years or have they had to source some used examples and rebuild them?
Also, where did they source the engines from? The XK went out of production in '92, so did they still have plenty lying around for the last 20 years or have they had to source some used examples and rebuild them?
A clip of the The Lindner Nocker car has appeared on my local newspaper's website:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...
aeropilot said:
covmutley said:
It's not a replica, but it can't claim to have the racing heritage.
Hypothetically speaking, if one of the original 12 had been stashed away from new and never raced, and then 50 years later, found in a barn, that would not have any racing heritage either.......Look, they are certainly not worthless, and I am sure would make very nice fun cars, but with no way to get one on the road, and all kinds of arguments to enter any historic racing, what exactly was the point?
As said, you know these are just going to end up in somebodies collection somewhere gathering dust.
TEKNOPUG said:
I agree, it did seem odd that Jag wanted them to go to owners who would actually drive them; even race them, yet at the same time, lavish them with £40k (and God knows how many kilos) of paint. They've built the ultimate garage queen yet expect people to race them.....should have been built to the same standards as the original 12, for better or worse.
Also, where did they source the engines from? The XK went out of production in '92, so did they still have plenty lying around for the last 20 years or have they had to source some used examples and rebuild them?
Did they plunder some DS420s?Also, where did they source the engines from? The XK went out of production in '92, so did they still have plenty lying around for the last 20 years or have they had to source some used examples and rebuild them?
I found it a somewhat depressing watch. Too much of marketing bods working out how they can add superfluous crap to the purchase and not enough about the engineering and build skills.
Its a vanity project for Jaguar and the potential owners. It played to the worst aspects of the classic car price boom that has taken hold over the last decade. The irony that many of the main players in the "look how rich and exclusive the world I live in" brigade were turning their noses up at the end result caused a chuckle.
Would Porsche try to remake a number of Carrera RSR's? Or Ferrari create 250 GTO's?
Of course not. Which to my mind leaves Jaguar looking a bit desperate.
The same resources spent on stripped out lightweight competition F-Types might be money better spent.
Its a vanity project for Jaguar and the potential owners. It played to the worst aspects of the classic car price boom that has taken hold over the last decade. The irony that many of the main players in the "look how rich and exclusive the world I live in" brigade were turning their noses up at the end result caused a chuckle.
Would Porsche try to remake a number of Carrera RSR's? Or Ferrari create 250 GTO's?
Of course not. Which to my mind leaves Jaguar looking a bit desperate.
The same resources spent on stripped out lightweight competition F-Types might be money better spent.
Le Mans Visitor said:
AyBee said:
would have been good to know this. Brand new 15 plate? 
Stunning car though.
Jaguar has revolved around marketing since before the E-type was created and the idea of a 150mph E-type was as invented by the marketing bods then as the idea of 80mpg cars today that in reality struggle to do 60mpg.
This was completely a marketing exercise so why shouldn't they go to extremes?
If it wasn't for the marketing bods there would be no jobs for the "engineers" and vice versa.
The E-type though gorgeous in appearance, anyone who has driven an original will know that they were in reality a bit crap but very well marketed. There were far better engineered cars in their day that didn't get the marketing that Jaguar had and they have been long forgotten.
Notwithstanding all of this, the program was my TV highlight of the week and I enjoyed it. I found the comment that they are replicas offensive for the same reasons some have given above and my opinion of Lord M is now diminished.
£1M does not go far in a company like Jaguar so I doubt that they will have covered their costs in selling these cars but as a marketing exercise, turning a profit on the sales displays is never the focus or intention anyway.
I felt Mark Evens was his usual entertaining self but how much better a job would JC or even Captain Slow made of this as long as JC was up to his WW2 documentary standards as opposed to playing the big fat idiot which has in the past, earned him more money.
More car programs please.
This was completely a marketing exercise so why shouldn't they go to extremes?
If it wasn't for the marketing bods there would be no jobs for the "engineers" and vice versa.
The E-type though gorgeous in appearance, anyone who has driven an original will know that they were in reality a bit crap but very well marketed. There were far better engineered cars in their day that didn't get the marketing that Jaguar had and they have been long forgotten.
Notwithstanding all of this, the program was my TV highlight of the week and I enjoyed it. I found the comment that they are replicas offensive for the same reasons some have given above and my opinion of Lord M is now diminished.
£1M does not go far in a company like Jaguar so I doubt that they will have covered their costs in selling these cars but as a marketing exercise, turning a profit on the sales displays is never the focus or intention anyway.
I felt Mark Evens was his usual entertaining self but how much better a job would JC or even Captain Slow made of this as long as JC was up to his WW2 documentary standards as opposed to playing the big fat idiot which has in the past, earned him more money.
More car programs please.
Leithen said:
I found it a somewhat depressing watch. Too much of marketing bods working out how they can add superfluous crap to the purchase and not enough about the engineering and build skills.
Its a vanity project for Jaguar and the potential owners. It played to the worst aspects of the classic car price boom that has taken hold over the last decade. The irony that many of the main players in the "look how rich and exclusive the world I live in" brigade were turning their noses up at the end result caused a chuckle.
This. In spades.Its a vanity project for Jaguar and the potential owners. It played to the worst aspects of the classic car price boom that has taken hold over the last decade. The irony that many of the main players in the "look how rich and exclusive the world I live in" brigade were turning their noses up at the end result caused a chuckle.
It was embarrassing to watch the moneyed classes bleating on about how exclusive their private club was, just because they'd spent more money on their trinket than anyone else. Then to watch Jaguar pander to the same snobbery with watches made of the melted down brains of the guy who swept the original floor with a heritage broom (or something like that, I lost the will at that point) put me off.
The craftsmanship and engineering going into each car was lovely - could just imagine running your hands over the flanks of that body(!) Such a shame we're not able to celebrate that and have to wrap it up with marketing nonsense.
Five pages of comment and no-one has praised the project manager with his lovely garage...and E Type.
Thought the 'attention to detail' that includes watches and suitcases would have been better had they included that design-bod lifestyle guru (Stephen Bayley) who would know if what they were proposing was suitable, or just naff.
And as others have mentioned, why no detail on the engine? Sounded suitably epic.
Could do better, but still enjoyable.
Thought the 'attention to detail' that includes watches and suitcases would have been better had they included that design-bod lifestyle guru (Stephen Bayley) who would know if what they were proposing was suitable, or just naff.
And as others have mentioned, why no detail on the engine? Sounded suitably epic.
Could do better, but still enjoyable.
AyBee said:
Le Mans Visitor said:
AyBee said:
would have been good to know this. Brand new 15 plate? Stunning car though.
they are still new cars and thus have to comply with current regs.
the only exception to this is for cars that you can demonstrate are of an age, and having an old VIN number does not cut it.
Pistom said:
£1M does not go far in a company like Jaguar so I doubt that they will have covered their costs in selling these cars but as a marketing exercise, turning a profit on the sales displays is never the focus or intention anyway.
that may be true generally but there is no way there wasn't a healthy profit in these cars (& the accompanying trinkets smacked of them being embarrassed by the cost) The bit I didn't understand was the comment from Lord March about these cars being "replicas".
Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
northwest monkey said:
The bit I didn't understand was the comment from Lord March about these cars being "replicas".
Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
One of them will drive in a straight line and the other won't.. Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
eps said:
northwest monkey said:
The bit I didn't understand was the comment from Lord March about these cars being "replicas".
Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
One of them will drive in a straight line and the other won't.. Ok, I get the fact they're "brand new" and not "old", but there was a chap that owned one of the original ones which had been involved in a fatal smash. By the look of it, there wasn't a lot left of it, and by his own admission, there was only one straight piece of metal left on the whole car. It's obviously been completely rebuilt from the wheels up and I can imagine the only original part on his car is the VIN plate.
So what's the difference between them?
Probably true! What I meant though, was why would Lord March (and presumably others) get "sniffy" about this run of 6 cars?
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