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ThomW said:
Quite telling thayt nobody has mentioned Echo yet. I watched it, but it really wasn't great. I'm sure loads of deaf people, physically disabled people and native americans will say it's the best thing ever, but for the rest of us it was just a crap show. She was nowhere near as good as the Echo seen in the Hawkeye show.
As a below knee amputee who wears a very simular leg I'll say the amputee stuff was OK, not 100% accurate but the reality wasn't stretched anymore than all the other physical laws ITMS. Found the rest of the show a bit clunky and bearing in mind that modern audiences tend to double screen while viewing I think the subtitles were a mistake.
The best part for me was Kingpin/Fisk, I'd like to see him used more and the MCU do need a new villain
Today marks 3 years since the debut of Wanda Vision. Haven’t watched Echo as I don’t care about the character. Deadpool 3 may be worth the time but I think I’m done with the MCU now. The writing is awful.
I did really enjoy the second batch of Invincible episodes. The animation isn’t as smooth of that on What if, but the writing is leagues better. Well worth your time if you haven’t watched it. It’s on Prime.
I did really enjoy the second batch of Invincible episodes. The animation isn’t as smooth of that on What if, but the writing is leagues better. Well worth your time if you haven’t watched it. It’s on Prime.
Janluke said:
The best part for me was Kingpin/Fisk, I'd like to see him used more and the MCU do need a new villain
Yeah I was very glad that he wasn't dead, and given that we have a new Daredevil series coming with the previous cast it makes sense that Fisk will appear in that too. I hope he's the big bad, though it seems he's been left in a confused state at the end of Echo.highway said:
Today marks 3 years since the debut of Wanda Vision. Haven’t watched Echo as I don’t care about the character. Deadpool 3 may be worth the time but I think I’m done with the MCU now. The writing is awful.
I did really enjoy the second batch of Invincible episodes. The animation isn’t as smooth of that on What if, but the writing is leagues better. Well worth your time if you haven’t watched it. It’s on Prime.
Invincible is probably my favourite small screen superhero show, either animated or live action. (And I’ve watch a lot of them over the years.) It gets compared with The Boys, but apart from the unfiltered violence, they couldn’t be further apart. I did really enjoy the second batch of Invincible episodes. The animation isn’t as smooth of that on What if, but the writing is leagues better. Well worth your time if you haven’t watched it. It’s on Prime.
ThomW said:
Janluke said:
The best part for me was Kingpin/Fisk, I'd like to see him used more and the MCU do need a new villain
Yeah I was very glad that he wasn't dead, and given that we have a new Daredevil series coming with the previous cast it makes sense that Fisk will appear in that too. I hope he's the big bad, though it seems he's been left in a confused state at the end of Echo.SpudLink said:
Invincible is probably my favourite small screen superhero show, either animated or live action. (And I’ve watch a lot of them over the years.) It gets compared with The Boys, but apart from the unfiltered violence, they couldn’t be further apart.
Yeah Invincible is in a different league to any of the Marvel TV shows it really is that good. That said, WandaVision was brilliant and probably my favourite show they've done. Certainly, one of the only ones where I was genuinely excited for the next episode, brilliant story and it actually did something with it's characters that made sense. A large part of that I feel was down to Matt Shakman directing the whole run. highway said:
Presumbably you give a pass to the tired cgi battle at the end?
The weakest part of WandaVision was the last episode. Not just the CGI battle. The Ralph Bohner joke didn't really work. And they seemed to abort the Monica Rambeau storyline.Despite those missteps, it was still an excellent show.
C5_Steve said:
SpudLink said:
Invincible is probably my favourite small screen superhero show, either animated or live action. (And I’ve watch a lot of them over the years.) It gets compared with The Boys, but apart from the unfiltered violence, they couldn’t be further apart.
Yeah Invincible is in a different league to any of the Marvel TV shows it really is that good. That said, WandaVision was brilliant and probably my favourite show they've done. Certainly, one of the only ones where I was genuinely excited for the next episode, brilliant story and it actually did something with it's characters that made sense. A large part of that I feel was down to Matt Shakman directing the whole run. 2. Where can I get some?
robemcdonald said:
1. What are you smoking?
2. Where can I get some?
1. Are you asking about my opinion on WandaVision or Invincible2. Where can I get some?
2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
C5_Steve said:
1. Are you asking about my opinion on WandaVision or Invincible
2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
WandaVision was a good series, and last episode CGI fight excepted it was something different.C5_Steve said:
1. Are you asking about my opinion on WandaVision or Invincible
2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
Last episode of She Hulk was pure genius. That's objective fact, not personal opinion.2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
Washed my hands of most of this garbage years ago, managed about 2 episodes of the Indian Marvel thing, that was awful, She Hulk lasted about 10 seconds, Marvels was the biggest pile of self effacing garbage I have ever seen put in any cinema. Managed about 20 minutes of that before binning it off.
Disney really need to realise what got them in this position as they are totally throwing it down the pan. Box ticking does not a good film make, ignore your stupid pathetic HR people running the company and make good films with good characters, that is what got you there. Not ticking boxes, You can still di that, but even lack Panther was a bang average film made to be amazing because of all sorts of stuff going on the US.
Disney really need to realise what got them in this position as they are totally throwing it down the pan. Box ticking does not a good film make, ignore your stupid pathetic HR people running the company and make good films with good characters, that is what got you there. Not ticking boxes, You can still di that, but even lack Panther was a bang average film made to be amazing because of all sorts of stuff going on the US.
C5_Steve said:
robemcdonald said:
1. What are you smoking?
2. Where can I get some?
1. Are you asking about my opinion on WandaVision or Invincible2. Where can I get some?
2. Both are correct (IMO)
I'm guessing you mean WV though, which show did you prefer over it? For me there's honestly not been another one I cared about watching the next episode more. At it's heart it's a story about dealing with grief and I felt it did that beautifully as well as being original in it's storytelling.
I also had no issue with the last episode or it's effects. It was hardly She Hulk.
Unlike:
Daredevil seasons 1-3, Punisher seaons 1 & 2, Jessica Jones Season 1, Iron Fist season 2.
If you are going to exclude the Netflix stuff I would say:
Hawkeye - Which I really enjoyed, The quite excellent "What if", Agent Carter, Moon Knight and I'd even say Falcon and the Winter Solider and Loki were better.
It would probably be easier to list the series that were worse:
Ms Marvel (I didn't bother after episode 3) She Hulk and the truly awful secret invasion.
Wandavision started out really interesting but it's like they only wrote the first 3 episodes, then had to wrap the back half of the season up on the bus on the way home from shooting, and only had time for a first draft.
It had the potential to be Stranger Things good with the TV / reality blurring, Wanda losing control and possibly allowing bigger evils to enter the world, but the villains were ultimately fairly irrelevant to the story and it all got tied up in a bow after a CGI punch-fest.
Alternatively, it's like they pulled out good ideas they wanted for season 2 out to make Dr. Strange 2 and therefore left the TV show threadbare of ideas.
It had the potential to be Stranger Things good with the TV / reality blurring, Wanda losing control and possibly allowing bigger evils to enter the world, but the villains were ultimately fairly irrelevant to the story and it all got tied up in a bow after a CGI punch-fest.
Alternatively, it's like they pulled out good ideas they wanted for season 2 out to make Dr. Strange 2 and therefore left the TV show threadbare of ideas.
Like I said before, the benefit of so many shows is that there's something for everyone.
I've enjoyed all of it apart from Secret Invasion which I found completely pointless and a waste of good characters. She hulk I actually really liked despite the woeful CGI, which was what I was referring to in regard to the comment a out WV CGI.
I agree that almost all the Netflix shows are better than the Disney ones though, I didn't even mind Iron Fist as I didn't know the character before the show.
I've high hopes for Daredevil now they've decided it's canon and folded in a number of things into it, plus bringing in other characters from the show. I'd be fully on board with making Kingpin the next big bad within the MCU but I feel they'd have to double him up with someone which would be no bad thing.
I've enjoyed all of it apart from Secret Invasion which I found completely pointless and a waste of good characters. She hulk I actually really liked despite the woeful CGI, which was what I was referring to in regard to the comment a out WV CGI.
I agree that almost all the Netflix shows are better than the Disney ones though, I didn't even mind Iron Fist as I didn't know the character before the show.
I've high hopes for Daredevil now they've decided it's canon and folded in a number of things into it, plus bringing in other characters from the show. I'd be fully on board with making Kingpin the next big bad within the MCU but I feel they'd have to double him up with someone which would be no bad thing.
The Hawkeye show was laughably poor. No villain, no stakes, shocking fight choreography at a 6th form am dram level and cgi apparently by Commodore 64.
Just because Disney have made a lot of shows doesn’t equate there being something for everyone. That’s like describing a crap restaurant with a large menu. The common denominator being all the, wide selection of food, is terrible.
It’s a weird game trying to decide which show is actually worst. It’s all levels of grim. Equally, who is most culpable- in order.
Obviously the writers take the crown. But those responsible for casting must be second. The dreadful female protagonist in Falcon and Winter Soldier. Emilia Clarke, again cast as an action hero type, despite demonstrating repeatedly she doesn’t do that role well. Wasting Oscar Isaac )who can’t do accents) in another poorly written mess of a show, squandering the initial promise and delivering- again- a giant cgi battle at the end. Special points for trying to crowbar in another forgettable, Wonder Woman 1984 esque superhero.
It’s like watching a genre die before your eyes. I haven’t watched Echo at all. Nor will I bother. I don’t know who it’s for but it’s certainly not for me.
I liked most of the Netflix shows, despite them being obviously lower budget. All of Daredevil worked. And the Punisher. JJ season 1 was great.
Casting a non martial artist as Iron Fist was a particularly stupid choice which the MCU should have fixed by now. That’s a far more interesting character than Shang Chi, who by the way, seems to have been ‘powered up’ by the addition of the 10 rings muguffin in an acknowledgment that his power set alone leaves him difficult for the sub standard writers to do anything interesting with.
It’s good that some still enjoy this output but it seems I’m far from alone in feeling this way. Shows like Invincible and Rick and Morty, show how important good writing is to making science fiction/super hero stuff watchable, interesting and fun.
Just because Disney have made a lot of shows doesn’t equate there being something for everyone. That’s like describing a crap restaurant with a large menu. The common denominator being all the, wide selection of food, is terrible.
It’s a weird game trying to decide which show is actually worst. It’s all levels of grim. Equally, who is most culpable- in order.
Obviously the writers take the crown. But those responsible for casting must be second. The dreadful female protagonist in Falcon and Winter Soldier. Emilia Clarke, again cast as an action hero type, despite demonstrating repeatedly she doesn’t do that role well. Wasting Oscar Isaac )who can’t do accents) in another poorly written mess of a show, squandering the initial promise and delivering- again- a giant cgi battle at the end. Special points for trying to crowbar in another forgettable, Wonder Woman 1984 esque superhero.
It’s like watching a genre die before your eyes. I haven’t watched Echo at all. Nor will I bother. I don’t know who it’s for but it’s certainly not for me.
I liked most of the Netflix shows, despite them being obviously lower budget. All of Daredevil worked. And the Punisher. JJ season 1 was great.
Casting a non martial artist as Iron Fist was a particularly stupid choice which the MCU should have fixed by now. That’s a far more interesting character than Shang Chi, who by the way, seems to have been ‘powered up’ by the addition of the 10 rings muguffin in an acknowledgment that his power set alone leaves him difficult for the sub standard writers to do anything interesting with.
It’s good that some still enjoy this output but it seems I’m far from alone in feeling this way. Shows like Invincible and Rick and Morty, show how important good writing is to making science fiction/super hero stuff watchable, interesting and fun.
SpudLink said:
Marvel have confirmed Fantastic Four will be released in the summer of 2025.
I generally ignore the rumour mill, but I am looking forward to this. I know that’s foolish based on recent MCU films, but I’m hoping this will buck the trend.
Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby and 2 other I’ve not heard of. Appears to be set in the sixities so either they’re going to the Multiverse route or a re-run of the whole Captain A frozen in time route. I generally ignore the rumour mill, but I am looking forward to this. I know that’s foolish based on recent MCU films, but I’m hoping this will buck the trend.
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