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mudflaps said:
I said EXACTLY that but was told its not the "looks" of the vibrator turning you on as you can't actually see it when its in use its just a 'tool' to achieve an end like a screwdriver in putting up a shelf. Women are merely 'using' the screwdriver but men are actually sexually attracted to the shelf - ergo "Cheating".For the record, yeah I would have a go on the Matron. Not because I was sexually attracted, but if it's going spare...
Morningside said:
Butter Face said:
Is the Coppers wife using Adult mode with her helper? Do the male synths have a penis? So many questions
That was my question before. If they are helper synths then there would be no need to have erroneous parts like a willy as it is not part of their main function.I don't buy a dishwasher that has a fleshlight attached 'just in case'. So why would you order a dolly (as they call it) with human parts if it is purchased just for doing the dishes.
If that was the case then this is the question you would need to be asked at point of purchase.
Silver Smudger said:
Morningside said:
Butter Face said:
Is the Coppers wife using Adult mode with her helper? Do the male synths have a penis? So many questions
That was my question before. If they are helper synths then there would be no need to have erroneous parts like a willy as it is not part of their main function.I don't buy a dishwasher that has a fleshlight attached 'just in case'. So why would you order a dolly (as they call it) with human parts if it is purchased just for doing the dishes.
If that was the case then this is the question you would need to be asked at point of purchase.
The reason we would build human like "synths" is because they need to work in a human world doing human tasks with human tools and implements.
In reality we would probably end up with something human shaped but machine looking, but that's not the point of this series.
98elise said:
Silver Smudger said:
Morningside said:
Butter Face said:
Is the Coppers wife using Adult mode with her helper? Do the male synths have a penis? So many questions
That was my question before. If they are helper synths then there would be no need to have erroneous parts like a willy as it is not part of their main function.I don't buy a dishwasher that has a fleshlight attached 'just in case'. So why would you order a dolly (as they call it) with human parts if it is purchased just for doing the dishes.
If that was the case then this is the question you would need to be asked at point of purchase.
The reason we would build human like "synths" is because they need to work in a human world doing human tasks with human tools and implements.
In reality we would probably end up with something human shaped but machine looking, but that's not the point of this series.
I can't ever see women in the general population at large being happy sharing the planet (shopping/socialising/even walking down the street) with synthetic women who are there primarily to act as walking/talking/sexy sperm-buckets for men. Can you imagine how they (women) would feel knowing that any men could just order up a Marilyn Monroe double at anytime for their gratification. They couldn't compete and would feel it completely undermines their position in the world whilst reinforcing the stereotype of women only being good for one thing. I suspect the vast majority of women would consider it "cheating" even if you tried the "it's only a walking vibrator" line.
They'd also feel terribly pressurised, "Don't want to give me the kinky sex I'm after? I'll just wheel Debbie out of the shed then."
Not sure if that argument holds water. Women are under the same pressure now from other women. If you won't give me kinky sex I'll just call Debbie from up the road.
Worse case, you call up an escort.
If you are not looking to have a long term relationship, it isn't cheating.
Not many women seem to understand that though.
Worse case, you call up an escort.
If you are not looking to have a long term relationship, it isn't cheating.
Not many women seem to understand that though.
98elise said:
Agreed. Its a bit like buying a computer. Most will come with many Gb or even Tb of storage, even if you just want for e-mail and facebook.
The reason we would build human like "synths" is because they need to work in a human world doing human tasks with human tools and implements.
In reality we would probably end up with something human shaped but machine looking, but that's not the point of this series.
In real reality now, the Japanese are making human androids. It's already here. People will push for Synths.The reason we would build human like "synths" is because they need to work in a human world doing human tasks with human tools and implements.
In reality we would probably end up with something human shaped but machine looking, but that's not the point of this series.
Halb said:
In real reality now, the Japanese are making human androids. It's already here. People will push for Synths.
Why ? This is one of the things that struck me whilst watching the latest episode when they went to a factory/warehouse. If a factory is completely operated by AIs, why do they need to be humanoid ? Why not build the intelligence into something better suited to the job it's doing - i.e. rather than have a humanoid synth. running a machine, why not have an intelligent machine or whole factory ? And why bother giving it all the extra elements beyond what it needs to do the job ? A humanoid synth. is purely a stop-gap in that environment. The only reason for keeping them in a human package is so that they can replace humans when necessary or operate in a necessarily human-oriented environment.
Halb said:
In real reality now, the Japanese are making human androids. It's already here. People will push for Synths.
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
SpudLink said:
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.
I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
Perhaps but as rightly hinted at by some in this thread, the sex industry will be the biggest driver for the development of life-like synths. It has been directly and indirectly responsible for some of the biggest technological developments in the past. I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
As an example something like 90% of internet traffic is p*rn related, it's one of the biggest drivers for wide scale adoption of fibre\broadband and the upgrading of that infrastructure. Never underestimate the deviancy of human nature or the multi-billion dollar industry that serves it.
SpudLink said:
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.
Up to the point where you can't tell that they are robots - it's the almost-human aspect that creeps people out.otolith said:
SpudLink said:
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.
Up to the point where you can't tell that they are robots - it's the almost-human aspect that creeps people out.The principal role would be to things we don't want to, and to work in an every day environment. For that it just needs to be roughly human shape.
98elise said:
This is the problem. They don't look or move correctly, and it serves no purpose unless you need to pass one off as human.
The principal role would be to things we don't want to, and to work in an every day environment. For that it just needs to be roughly human shape.
Until you introduce the sex element. Then it needs to look and feel as human as possible to get the full effect.The principal role would be to things we don't want to, and to work in an every day environment. For that it just needs to be roughly human shape.
And look what sex did for VHS....
SpudLink said:
Halb said:
In real reality now, the Japanese are making human androids. It's already here. People will push for Synths.
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
As humans we are built to empathise with other humans, until we notice something is 'wrong' and we become conflicted and disgusted.
For example, a teddy bear with a flat face and humanoid spaced eyes etc is 'cute', but moving up the 'realism scale' to a zombie for example is human at first glance until we see our emotions have been 'tricked'.
There's other cultural and religious reasons as well, so it may not be as clear cut when we get to it.
The 'tipping point' is actually purposefully shown in Humans. Take for example, the scene where Anita with glass like eyes and a straight face laughs unnaturally - that's the example of the valley.
Then consider the blonde synth who does not act in this way at all - there is no revulsion at all, it's impossible to tell she's not human.
IMHO that is the way it will go. The 'holy grail' would be to get to this level due to the uses such a robot could have, and importantly, this is what we expect. Yes, we would have to endure the uncanny valley, but the end goal will still be there.
marshalla said:
Why ? This is one of the things that struck me whilst watching the latest episode when they went to a factory/warehouse. If a factory is completely operated by AIs, why do they need to be humanoid ? Why not build the intelligence into something better suited to the job it's doing - i.e. rather than have a humanoid synth. running a machine, why not have an intelligent machine or whole factory ? And why bother giving it all the extra elements beyond what it needs to do the job ?
A humanoid synth. is purely a stop-gap in that environment. The only reason for keeping them in a human package is so that they can replace humans when necessary or operate in a necessarily human-oriented environment.
Sex.A humanoid synth. is purely a stop-gap in that environment. The only reason for keeping them in a human package is so that they can replace humans when necessary or operate in a necessarily human-oriented environment.
marshalla said:
Why ? This is one of the things that struck me whilst watching the latest episode when they went to a factory/warehouse. If a factory is completely operated by AIs, why do they need to be humanoid ? Why not build the intelligence into something better suited to the job it's doing - i.e. rather than have a humanoid synth. running a machine, why not have an intelligent machine or whole factory ? And why bother giving it all the extra elements beyond what it needs to do the job ?
A humanoid synth. is purely a stop-gap in that environment. The only reason for keeping them in a human package is so that they can replace humans when necessary or operate in a necessarily human-oriented environment.
They tried that in the 60s and 70s in an experiment called "the British car industry". The theory was that to assemble cars you only need a simple operator with strong limbs, dexterous joints and fingers and very little brain.A humanoid synth. is purely a stop-gap in that environment. The only reason for keeping them in a human package is so that they can replace humans when necessary or operate in a necessarily human-oriented environment.
The experiment was a failure!
The Japanese found that using more intelligent beings who called think for themselves and use a computational system called 'common sense' enabled them to produce more cars , to a higher standard and for less money!
You still won't get life-like sexy-looking synths (that you can't obviously tell are robots) walking around the high streets and shopping centres to be agreed to by the human female community in any shape or form, it's just too obviously objectifying women. They're getting the hump over billboards with women in bikinis so anyone that thinks they'll let this slip by is living in cloud cuckoo land. In my opinion there would be massive riots on the streets if this ever came to pass.
You *might* get them in brothels but then why would you bother when real women would do that for you - unless your tastes are seriously f**ked up that a synth is your only outlet.
You *might* get them in brothels but then why would you bother when real women would do that for you - unless your tastes are seriously f**ked up that a synth is your only outlet.
Guvernator said:
SpudLink said:
The humanoid robots are more than a little creepy. Earlier in the thread someone explained that the more human they look, the more uncomfortable they make people feel.
I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
Perhaps but as rightly hinted at by some in this thread, the sex industry will be the biggest driver for the development of life-like synths. It has been directly and indirectly responsible for some of the biggest technological developments in the past. I agree with the suggestion that people will be happy to accept human shaped but machine looking androids. The film "I Robot" got this about right.
As an example something like 90% of internet traffic is p*rn related, it's one of the biggest drivers for wide scale adoption of fibre\broadband and the upgrading of that infrastructure. Never underestimate the deviancy of human nature or the multi-billion dollar industry that serves it.
Other than the space race of the 1960'70s and war, I can't think of anything that has driven technology take up and development more than good old porn!
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