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PlayersNo6 said:
Was an interesting hour of TV but not sure I'll be tuning in next week. Seemed a bit Bladerunner Series (or should that be 'Season') One ie an experimental batch of 'skin jobs' with human feelings turn renegade.
So why does the Bladerunner feel mean you won't tune in?It was an interesting show, and I'll try to keep watching it even though it was rather cliche. I suppose when you come to making a movie or TV show about robots living alongside humans you can't really do much else other than the staple "What is it to be alive?" and "Why is my existence any different to yours?" that you find in all such shows.
It did strike me as being similar to Blade Runner, but then that is the daddy of that type of movie, so anything that has the above storylines will be compared to; the soundtrack was a little like Vangelis's as well I thought. It'll be interesting to see where it goes though, but I doubt it'll stray too far from "A group of humans trying to find a place for the Synthetics to live their own lives" as well as drawing comparisons to slavery in our past.
I watched Automata afterwards as well - that really was like a homage to Blade Runner, the first two thirds at least anyway.
It did strike me as being similar to Blade Runner, but then that is the daddy of that type of movie, so anything that has the above storylines will be compared to; the soundtrack was a little like Vangelis's as well I thought. It'll be interesting to see where it goes though, but I doubt it'll stray too far from "A group of humans trying to find a place for the Synthetics to live their own lives" as well as drawing comparisons to slavery in our past.
I watched Automata afterwards as well - that really was like a homage to Blade Runner, the first two thirds at least anyway.
More like an alternative sequel series to Ex Machina. I enjoyed and will be turning on (how old are some peoples TVs here who have to tune theirs in) on Sunday.
The one flaw in the story though is that we already have creepy women who carry out all our mundane chores and other stuff we don't want to do, look almost human however have flawed firmware which you know is going to land you in s
t one day.
They called them synths, we call them wives.
Mine even goes out to work to earn money.
They can be expensive though as there is a down payment as you are getting one, regular monthly payments and then a lump sum to pay at the end of your time with them. Bit like getting a car through a PCP except when you pay the lump sum at the the end with the PCP, you end up with the car, with the wife, someone else ends up with her.
The one flaw in the story though is that we already have creepy women who carry out all our mundane chores and other stuff we don't want to do, look almost human however have flawed firmware which you know is going to land you in s
t one day. They called them synths, we call them wives.
Mine even goes out to work to earn money.
They can be expensive though as there is a down payment as you are getting one, regular monthly payments and then a lump sum to pay at the end of your time with them. Bit like getting a car through a PCP except when you pay the lump sum at the the end with the PCP, you end up with the car, with the wife, someone else ends up with her.
I enjoyed it. For those into Nordic Noir this was loosely based on a Swedish drama series from a couple of years back (includes subtitles) : https://vimeo.com/album/2747482
poing said:
Raises lots of moral questions regarding the idea of robot "slaves" and I guess that's part of the idea.
Only if you make them sentient.And why would you enable them to feel pain? At what point in a meeting did that concept get approved?
Even if you were getting close to that sort of situation, you'd engineer them to enjoy doing the tasks you wanted them to do.
Some blokes pay women to kick them in the nuts. They enjoy it, while most "normal" people don't. So you engineer the robot so that "being kicked in the nuts" stimulates whatever gives it it's motivation.
If doing the washing up gave it the same "pleasure" as you get from watching a good movie, it would want to wash up every time it could. (See human clean freaks).
Nimby said:
Gargamel said:
Anything with John Hurt (who of course has played an Android in Aliens) is worth watching.
Will give it another go next week, sometimes episode one spend too much time establishing characters.
Does have some very familiar themes. Heck, even Asimovs laws got a mention.
But this was William Hurt.Will give it another go next week, sometimes episode one spend too much time establishing characters.
Does have some very familiar themes. Heck, even Asimovs laws got a mention.
Munter said:
And why would you enable them to feel pain? At what point in a meeting did that concept get approved?
To help them avoid damage. If they held something too hot, it could melt their outer coating (skin) and so it would be a good idea to drop the hot thing.I think that is why pain 'evolved'.
Steve
Steve vRS said:
Munter said:
And why would you enable them to feel pain? At what point in a meeting did that concept get approved?
To help them avoid damage. If they held something too hot, it could melt their outer coating (skin) and so it would be a good idea to drop the hot thing.I think that is why pain 'evolved'.
Steve
Munter said:
Yes but why make that a negative emotion. Sense damage, routine kicks in to stop damage, stopping damage causes a "pleasure sensation". AI learns that stopping damage quickly causes "pleasure", and bumps the priority on it (within it's specified bounds). Voila, no pain and still have the same effect.
I think you just summed up pain quite well there!Steve
daddy cool said:
Nimby said:
Gargamel said:
Anything with John Hurt (who of course has played an Android in Aliens) is worth watching.
Will give it another go next week, sometimes episode one spend too much time establishing characters.
Does have some very familiar themes. Heck, even Asimovs laws got a mention.
But this was William Hurt.Will give it another go next week, sometimes episode one spend too much time establishing characters.
Does have some very familiar themes. Heck, even Asimovs laws got a mention.
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Munter said:
Steve vRS said:
Munter said:
And why would you enable them to feel pain? At what point in a meeting did that concept get approved?
To help them avoid damage. If they held something too hot, it could melt their outer coating (skin) and so it would be a good idea to drop the hot thing.I think that is why pain 'evolved'.
Steve
Rewarding later is probably too late to prevent damage, that why we evolved the feeling of pain.
98elise said:
Munter said:
Steve vRS said:
Munter said:
And why would you enable them to feel pain? At what point in a meeting did that concept get approved?
To help them avoid damage. If they held something too hot, it could melt their outer coating (skin) and so it would be a good idea to drop the hot thing.I think that is why pain 'evolved'.
Steve
Rewarding later is probably too late to prevent damage, that why we evolved the feeling of pain.
We do not have to put the concept of pain into a machine. A message from a component saying it's damaged, doesn't have to correspond to a negative event. It can kick off a sequence of events that will lead to being repaired, all of which are positive. The "STOP NOW" message itself could be made positive if we wanted.
It's up to us to choose how to motivate the machines. Just don't choose pain as one of the options. Then there is no worry about "causing pain".
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