The reboot/remake bandwagon rumbles on...
Discussion
Yes, but if the films flop, the studios go all SJW-like and blame the public for being too misogynistic and closed-minded. They never think that people stayed away, or give their product poor reviews because it may be a little bit crap.
Even the film magazines seem to have a 'Comical Ali' approach to the truth when it came to the new Ghostbusters. I bought a new magazine called 'Horrorville', and in the news section, it had an article called 'Box Office Busted', which stated that, despite the bad reception, the film turned out to be a massive success. It was a very vitriolic article, and I wondered why the hell it was even included in a new mag focusing solely on horror films, TV series' and books/magazines.
Even the film magazines seem to have a 'Comical Ali' approach to the truth when it came to the new Ghostbusters. I bought a new magazine called 'Horrorville', and in the news section, it had an article called 'Box Office Busted', which stated that, despite the bad reception, the film turned out to be a massive success. It was a very vitriolic article, and I wondered why the hell it was even included in a new mag focusing solely on horror films, TV series' and books/magazines.
Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 13th December 12:10
I have nothing against the idea of a gender swapped reboot but the limited pool of actresses that Hollywood casts are mostly unfunny and in the case of Ghostbusters miscast. There are plenty of funny female actresses it just that Hollywood does not use them and if it does it does not do so properly.
On top of a miscast, unfunny actresses the film had a shoddy script that couldn't make its mind up if it was a sequel set after the male versions or if it was set in its own universe, it regularly contradicted its own logic, insulted its own audience and was just out and out poor all over.
I am sure Sony deliberately picked the SJW angle as they knew the film was bad, it was obvious that outside a hard core group of red pill trolls the majority of complaints were with the film itself. Sony have already started the same rubbish with the new Barbie film starting Amy Schumer, despite her being unfunny and her "humour" being completely unsuitable for under 15s.
On top of a miscast, unfunny actresses the film had a shoddy script that couldn't make its mind up if it was a sequel set after the male versions or if it was set in its own universe, it regularly contradicted its own logic, insulted its own audience and was just out and out poor all over.
I am sure Sony deliberately picked the SJW angle as they knew the film was bad, it was obvious that outside a hard core group of red pill trolls the majority of complaints were with the film itself. Sony have already started the same rubbish with the new Barbie film starting Amy Schumer, despite her being unfunny and her "humour" being completely unsuitable for under 15s.
tankplanker said:
I have nothing against the idea of a gender swapped reboot....
Me neither in principle - I just don't see the point in most cases. The odd character here and there can work (e.g. BSG - where Starbuck and Boomer were recast - and it worked very well indeed).
What movie has ever been enhanced by swapping the genders of all the main characters though. Can anyone name even a single example?
Interestingly - I also cant think of a single movie that had a female lead or leads - but where men have been cast in the remake
Moonhawk said:
Me neither in principle - I just don't see the point in most cases.
The odd character here and there can work (e.g. BSG - where Starbuck and Boomer were recast - and it worked very well indeed).
What movie has ever been enhanced by swapping the genders of all the main characters though. Can anyone name even a single example?
Interestingly - I also cant think of a single movie that had a female lead or leads - but where men have been cast in the remake
I can't think of any rebooted film (TV is different) that improves over the originals other than the first two Nolan Batman films? And technically the third Nolan film is better than Batman Forever even if isn't as good as the other two Nolan Batman films. So if so few reboots work for the film studios then no matter what they do nothing is going to work.The odd character here and there can work (e.g. BSG - where Starbuck and Boomer were recast - and it worked very well indeed).
What movie has ever been enhanced by swapping the genders of all the main characters though. Can anyone name even a single example?
Interestingly - I also cant think of a single movie that had a female lead or leads - but where men have been cast in the remake
tankplanker said:
can't think of any rebooted film (TV is different) that improves over the originals other than the first two Nolan Batman films? And technically the third Nolan film is better than Batman Forever even if isn't as good as the other two Nolan Batman films. So if so few reboots work for the film studios then no matter what they do nothing is going to work.
There are a few notable ones out there (The Hulk, Oceans 11, The Fly, The Thing, True Lies, the new Spiderman movie looks like it might be pretty good too) - but as you say, reboots are difficult to pull off.The problem is, when you couple the fact that it's a reboot which is difficult to pull of anyway - with all female 'team up'/buddy movies which also tend to do quite badly - you are on to an almost definite loser.
tankplanker said:
I am sure Sony deliberately picked the SJW angle as they knew the film was bad, it was obvious that outside a hard core group of red pill trolls the majority of complaints were with the film itself. Sony have already started the same rubbish with the new Barbie film starting Amy Schumer, despite her being unfunny and her "humour" being completely unsuitable for under 15s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWROBiX1eScMoonhawk said:
Can anyone name a good 'all female main cast' remake?
Do any exist? Apart from Ghostbusters?Not sure about reboots, but there are some ace remakes, like the Maltese Falcon.
judas said:
Halb said:
Not sure about reboots, but there are some ace remakes, like the Maltese Falcon.
Learn something new every day - never knew the Humpty Go-kart version was a remake!The Maltese Falcon is based on a novel, so any new film version is just that, a new version, not a remake.
Ghostbusters is a remake because there's no original source from which to draw. Or is it a reboot?
Halmyre said:
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The Maltese Falcon is based on a novel, so any new film version is just that, a new version, not a remake.
Ghostbusters is a remake because there's no original source from which to draw. Or is it a reboot?
Depends if the newer film is based on the book or the film, some films get based on the film. But since TMF HUmpty version was based on the book, you may be right on that example.The Maltese Falcon is based on a novel, so any new film version is just that, a new version, not a remake.
Ghostbusters is a remake because there's no original source from which to draw. Or is it a reboot?
I watched some programme which showed a selection of scene for scene from the two versions...wow, the HUmpy one just had bags more quality and atmosphere, down to shots, lighting, not just acting. John Huston and Arthur Edeson were amazing.
Ghostbusters is a remake/boot hybrid (I reckon), since it's almost a direct lift of the first film beat for beat, but it's also came into existence as a fully formed universe with al the other tat...haha, SOny, whadda mistakaa to makka...t
ts.tankplanker said:
can't think of any rebooted film (TV is different) that improves over the originals other than the first two Nolan Batman films?
The first Daniel Craig Bond film was a cracking refresh, if not an outright reboot.Whilst some stuff is classic and can't be touched, there are few films or tv series that are timeless. Watching shows with our kids makes me realise how much pacing, dialog and visual style has moved on. The classics are still classics but the next generation look at some of them with complete bemusement.
Of course a lot of the classics only had their impact because they fit with the mood of the time. You can update them to make sense to the kids of today, but the message often just doesn't resonate. Even basic stuff like 'geeks overcome odds' just means something different now.
Tuna said:
The first Daniel Craig Bond film was a cracking refresh, if not an outright reboot.
It was certainly a much needed refresh, but it owed a bit too much to the Bourne movies in hindsight (actually I said so at the time too 
)Maybe I'm odd though as I preferred the second one! Felt more Bond to me.
M.
chris watton said:
Yes, but if the films flop, the studios go all SJW-like and blame the public for being too misogynistic and closed-minded. They never think that people stayed away, or give their product poor reviews because it may be a little bit crap.
Even the film magazines seem to have a 'Comical Ali' approach to the truth when it came to the new Ghostbusters. I bought a new magazine called 'Horrorville', and in the news section, it had an article called 'Box Office Busted', which stated that, despite the bad reception, the film turned out to be a massive success. It was a very vitriolic article, and I wondered why the hell it was even included in a new mag focusing solely on horror films, TV series' and books/magazines.
It's the SJW way ... as long as a piece of media has the 'right' message, it must be objectively good and all right-thinking SJWs are obliged to praise and promote it as the best thing ever. Anyone disliking it is to be condemned and shamed as bigoted/ xenophobic/ misogynistic/ racist/ homophobic/ trans-phobic or whatever their current 'oppressed group of the week' is.Even the film magazines seem to have a 'Comical Ali' approach to the truth when it came to the new Ghostbusters. I bought a new magazine called 'Horrorville', and in the news section, it had an article called 'Box Office Busted', which stated that, despite the bad reception, the film turned out to be a massive success. It was a very vitriolic article, and I wondered why the hell it was even included in a new mag focusing solely on horror films, TV series' and books/magazines.
Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 13th December 12:10
Now you have all these bloody remakes/ reboots whatever re-done with 'modern' politically correct characters and themes. It's massively annoying.
If you ever heard of 'Gamergate', it was this sort of thinking that kicked the whole crapfest off. Basically, some rubbish computer games that were 'on message' were hyped up and players pushed back. Then the whole thing just ballooned into an ungodly mess, unfortunately.
Just look at all the internet/social-media centric sites leading up to the last US presidential election. Just about every one I read suddenly was running anti-Trump stories almost every day despite the fact that I only wanted to read about cars, or video games, or gadgets or TV shows. They're like crazy proselytising zealots who want to make everyone agree with them at the threat of being marginalised if you express your own opinion.
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