The reboot/remake bandwagon rumbles on...
Discussion
IanH755 said:
Rumblestripe said:
The point is remaking a "classic" does not mangle anything.
No, in your opinion it doesn't mangle anything but to others, in their opinion it does. Unless you're saying it as a fact in which case are you telling me what I can or can't feel about a remake?
The original is not altered in any way by a remake. I'm not trying to tell you what to feel about a remake, hate it, love it, whatever; but it is a fact that the original still exists and you can still watch it.
(Of course in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope you have to contest with the "tweaks" that have been made to it over the years by Mr. Lucas but that is a different story)
Rumblestripe said:
No, it is a plain simple fact.
The original is not altered in any way by a remake. I'm not trying to tell you what to feel about a remake, hate it, love it, whatever; but it is a fact that the original still exists and you can still watch it.
(Of course in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope you have to contest with the "tweaks" that have been made to it over the years by Mr. Lucas but that is a different story)
The only plain simple fact is that you're talking bThe original is not altered in any way by a remake. I'm not trying to tell you what to feel about a remake, hate it, love it, whatever; but it is a fact that the original still exists and you can still watch it.
(Of course in the case of Star Wars: A New Hope you have to contest with the "tweaks" that have been made to it over the years by Mr. Lucas but that is a different story)
ks. The enjoyment of a film is by its very nature a personal, emotional, and opinion-based one. If someone's enjoyment of a favourite film is negatively impacted by a poor remake then that is a matter of opinion and not fact.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 19th September 09:08
Clockwork Cupcake said:
If someone's enjoyment of a favourite film is negatively impacted by a poor remake then that is a matter of opinion and not fact.
So you are telling me that if I listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever" by The Bee Gees I will no longer be able to enjoy The Beatles version? More than that you are saying that the mere existence of a copy or remake means I can no longer enjoy it. Only one of us talking bks here.
Rumblestripe said:
So you are telling me that if I listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever" by The Bee Gees I will no longer be able to enjoy The Beatles version?
No. Unlike you, I'm not trying to dictate to other people what they should or should not enjoy, or how their enjoyment will be altered by anything. That's the whole point. If your enjoyment is unaltered then all that means is that your enjoyment is unaltered. You can't just extrapolate your own opinion and then present that as a "fact" that applies to all. Clockwork Cupcake said:
Rumblestripe said:
So you are telling me that if I listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever" by The Bee Gees I will no longer be able to enjoy The Beatles version?
No. Unlike you, I'm not trying to dictate to other people what they should or should not enjoy, or how their enjoyment will be altered by anything. That's the whole point. If your enjoyment is unaltered then all that means is that your enjoyment is unaltered. You can't just extrapolate your own opinion and then present that as a "fact" that applies to all. k knows what you do when they film your favourite book...Halb said:
Cotty said:
Nope not if you have the original theatrical releases as well as the updated versions.
I only have them on tape!Disney are leaving cash on the table by not releasing the old ones unf
ked but remastered.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-The-Original-...
So, anyway, I think we can take it as read that the idea of remaking The Princess Bride has not gone down well.
If nothing else, it's given rise to a load of amusing tweets and comments that have made me smile.
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantasy/67534/...
The fact that a film is still so loved, and eminently quotable, after 32 years is rather nice.
(yes, 32 years. I feel old)
If nothing else, it's given rise to a load of amusing tweets and comments that have made me smile.
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantasy/67534/...
The fact that a film is still so loved, and eminently quotable, after 32 years is rather nice.
(yes, 32 years. I feel old)
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Rumblestripe said:
So you are telling me that if I listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever" by The Bee Gees I will no longer be able to enjoy The Beatles version?
No. Unlike you, I'm not trying to dictate to other people what they should or should not enjoy, or how their enjoyment will be altered by anything. That's the whole point. If your enjoyment is unaltered then all that means is that your enjoyment is unaltered. You can't just extrapolate your own opinion and then present that as a "fact" that applies to all. Rumblestripe said:
The original is not altered in any way by a remake. I'm not trying to tell you what to feel about a remake, hate it, love it, whatever; but it is a fact that the original still exists and you can still watch it.
I was assuming that logic would play some part in your response. I really do not understand how knowing that another version of a film exists (I assume you will not watch the remake) in any way detracts from your enjoyment of a favourite film? Many people believe that there are only seven "stories" that we constantly retell ourselves1 Overcoming the Monster
2 Rags to Riches
3 The Quest
4 Voyage and Return
5 Comedy
6 Tragedy
7 Rebirth
All stories follow these basic plots. Every film, novel, play, serial is in one sense or another a "remake".
To take an example from the world of film, when Sturges made "The Magnificent Seven", was Kurasawa's "Seven Samurai" "mangled" and "sh*t upon"?
Rumblestripe said:
To take an example from the world of film, when Sturges made "The Magnificent Seven", was Kurasawa's "Seven Samurai" "mangled" and "sh*t upon"?
You'll have to take that up with Halb, as it wasn't me that said that. Personally, I just think some films should be left alone and that nothing can be gained or added by remaking them.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
So, anyway, I think we can take it as read that the idea of remaking The Princess Bride has not gone down well.
If nothing else, it's given rise to a load of amusing tweets and comments that have made me smile.
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantasy/67534/...
The fact that a film is still so loved, and eminently quotable, after 32 years is rather nice.
(yes, 32 years. I feel old)
If nothing else, it's given rise to a load of amusing tweets and comments that have made me smile.
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantasy/67534/...
The fact that a film is still so loved, and eminently quotable, after 32 years is rather nice.
(yes, 32 years. I feel old)
It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, especially with certain properties that have cult followings. Such has the hapless Rocky Horror remake. TPB, still one of the most if not thee most quotable film. 
Cotty said:
You need this set that I have
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-The-Original-...
Sweet, they're unaltered but recoloured?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-The-Original-...
If you want the definitive original theatrical release of Star Wars then search for the fan projects that gathered original 35mm film from various theatres and then digitally remastered them to first HD and then subsequently 4K.
The HD project was called "The Silver Screen Edition"
See https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/star-wars-silv...
There's also "Harmys Despecialized Edition" which is also mentioned in that link (Edit: And also mentioned by FourWheelDrift)
The project for 4K is "Project 4K77"
See http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/page/Project-4k7...
Obviously these aren't strictly legal or endorsed by LucasFilm / George Lucas / Disney.
The people behind the Silver Screen Edition (SSE) are the same people behind Project 4K77. Have a read of the 4K77 link for more background info.
The HD project was called "The Silver Screen Edition"
See https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/star-wars-silv...
There's also "Harmys Despecialized Edition" which is also mentioned in that link (Edit: And also mentioned by FourWheelDrift)
The project for 4K is "Project 4K77"
See http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/page/Project-4k7...
Obviously these aren't strictly legal or endorsed by LucasFilm / George Lucas / Disney.
The people behind the Silver Screen Edition (SSE) are the same people behind Project 4K77. Have a read of the 4K77 link for more background info.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 19th September 15:46
I've still got an original betamax copy of Star Wars in the loft somewhere so completely untouched by Lucas. Bought before the home sell-through market was even a thing!
Everytime we went to the video store I made my mum rent that tape and in the end she forced the owner to sell us a copy at some ridiculous price, around £80 IIRC (back in the early eighties so a hell of a lot of dosh!).
Everytime we went to the video store I made my mum rent that tape and in the end she forced the owner to sell us a copy at some ridiculous price, around £80 IIRC (back in the early eighties so a hell of a lot of dosh!).
Halmyre said:
One Christmas I was given a boxed widescreen VHS set of the original trilogy just before Lucas started 'improving' on them. I did hope it might become a collectors' item, but of course it was worth bugger-all and it's now landfill, somewhere.
I used to be a huge Star Wars fangirl and over the years have bought the following:- VHS box set
- VHS Widescreen box set
- DVD Trilogy box set (this was the first time the original trilogy had been released on DVD)
- DVD Special Editions of Episodes I-VI
- Bluray box set of Episodes I-VI
Given all of the above I feel fairly justified in having a copy of The Silver Screen Edition.
By contrast, I only own Rogue One on Blueray and don't own The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi. I'm kinda "meh" with it all now.
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