Sicario - Emily Blunt, Benicio Del Toro, Josh Brolin
Discussion
Turquoise said:
One scene actually made me laugh. After (the excellent) Del Toro put two in her vest and she stumbled out of the tunnel, and Brolin had to restrain her.
So she's in the middle of the desert at night, with trained CIA killers and a SEAL team (one of whom has his gun in the face of her pointless partner and is itching to pull the trigger) so what does she do? She stands up and shouts, "I'm going to tell everyone what you've done, I will expose you all!"
Really?!?
No-one would be that bloody stupid! Let alone someone is supposed to be a streetwise SWAT team member. Her characters total cluelessness about how things work at that level spoilt it a bit for me. It wasn't realistic.
I'm not so sure.So she's in the middle of the desert at night, with trained CIA killers and a SEAL team (one of whom has his gun in the face of her pointless partner and is itching to pull the trigger) so what does she do? She stands up and shouts, "I'm going to tell everyone what you've done, I will expose you all!"
Really?!?
No-one would be that bloody stupid! Let alone someone is supposed to be a streetwise SWAT team member. Her characters total cluelessness about how things work at that level spoilt it a bit for me. It wasn't realistic.
She was utterly outraged (in the true sense of the word, not just a bit miffed about CE on TG) and lost control.
Sure, it wasn't the RATIONAL thing to do, but I can see that happening.
M
She's in the desert at night surrounded by government sanctioned killers. She's just been shot twice in the chest by one of them. Her partner has a machine gun in his mouth from another one of them. And she's face down in the dirt with another one, her boss, restraining her.
It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
Edited by Turquoise on Friday 3rd June 14:18
the premise was good, the execution was poor.
I think I said the same as recent posters on the film thread....
where did her sense of truth and justice come from in the light of what had happened previously -the point of her being there - some legal loophole about the presence of a certain rank of agent being present - bulls
t.
her sidekick - laughable and the closing hunt through the tunnel the dialogue was unbelievable and unrealistic. like they wouldn't or shouldn't have just shot the two of them with one of the drug dealers' guns and left them there was a hole that could have been filled...
oddly there should have been more of the torture scene too so we could have understood Sicarios' motives more strongly that was weakly done so I felt like - why do I care about this man?
dissapointing... 6/10
I think I said the same as recent posters on the film thread....
where did her sense of truth and justice come from in the light of what had happened previously -the point of her being there - some legal loophole about the presence of a certain rank of agent being present - bulls
t.her sidekick - laughable and the closing hunt through the tunnel the dialogue was unbelievable and unrealistic. like they wouldn't or shouldn't have just shot the two of them with one of the drug dealers' guns and left them there was a hole that could have been filled...
oddly there should have been more of the torture scene too so we could have understood Sicarios' motives more strongly that was weakly done so I felt like - why do I care about this man?
dissapointing... 6/10
Turquoise said:
She's in the desert at night surrounded by government sanctioned killers. She's just been shot twice in the chest by one of them. Her partner has a machine gun in his mouth from another one of them. And she's face down in the dirt with another one, her boss, restraining her.
It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
You're seeing it from a rational, reasonable film viewers POV.It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
Anyway, it's just a film. It really doesn't matter
M.
The movie has just been added to Netflix UK.
I watched it last night and thought it was great.
Took me a while to realise Del Toro himself is Sicario, although I'm still unclear what his formal "role" is.
His motive was clear: to avenge his family. The CIA's objective was also clear: neutralise Mexican drug gangs in order to reinstate the Medellin Cartel as THE main wordlwide drug exporter, which they could then control to some extent.
But Del Toro's character, what is he supposed to be exactly?
Prosecutor turned CIA (SOG?) operative? Or Medellin Cartel boss/killer? Or just an independent hitman?
I thought Emily Blunt's character was well thought out. She starts out as this idealistic FBI agent who really wants to make a dent on the Mexican druglords and finally make a difference on the War on Drugs.
But slowly but surely, she realises she's in way over her head, and her moral compass is just not adequate (sufficiently imbalanced?) to cope with the events that are unfolding just in front of her eyes, but totally out of her control.
In the end she's just a crumbling mess, but she clings on to that last bit of ethical righteousness, by refusing to shoot Del Toro while he's walking away.
I bet that in the sequel they'll just write her off as having committed suicide.
I watched it last night and thought it was great.
Took me a while to realise Del Toro himself is Sicario, although I'm still unclear what his formal "role" is.
His motive was clear: to avenge his family. The CIA's objective was also clear: neutralise Mexican drug gangs in order to reinstate the Medellin Cartel as THE main wordlwide drug exporter, which they could then control to some extent.
But Del Toro's character, what is he supposed to be exactly?
Prosecutor turned CIA (SOG?) operative? Or Medellin Cartel boss/killer? Or just an independent hitman?
I thought Emily Blunt's character was well thought out. She starts out as this idealistic FBI agent who really wants to make a dent on the Mexican druglords and finally make a difference on the War on Drugs.
But slowly but surely, she realises she's in way over her head, and her moral compass is just not adequate (sufficiently imbalanced?) to cope with the events that are unfolding just in front of her eyes, but totally out of her control.
In the end she's just a crumbling mess, but she clings on to that last bit of ethical righteousness, by refusing to shoot Del Toro while he's walking away.
I bet that in the sequel they'll just write her off as having committed suicide.
Edited by matrignano on Tuesday 2nd August 10:53
Turquoise said:
She's in the desert at night surrounded by government sanctioned killers. She's just been shot twice in the chest by one of them. Her partner has a machine gun in his mouth from another one of them. And she's face down in the dirt with another one, her boss, restraining her.
It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
Yeah, but it was also laughable that these supposedly super duper solders would so easily be so disloyal to their fellow countrymen/women. It's pretty clear what level they are operating on and where she stands in the grand scheme of things... Nowhere.
Good time to threaten to expose them all?
No.
It was laughable.
Edited by Turquoise on Friday 3rd June 14:18
I suppose that one of the elements about this film I disliked, the lack of professionalism of the solders, yeah we signed up for Country, but f
k 'it, we'll side with this hitman and just disregard anyone else as an "asshole". Even later to the party, just watched it.
She was made to look weak and silly, out of her depth and that may have been the point. But if they only wanted a patsy so sign off on the operation why didn't they get an inexperienced officer who would do as they're told.
She was chosen for her years of experience all of which makes it harder to go along with their methods. Agree about the poor image of the soldiers too.
She was made to look weak and silly, out of her depth and that may have been the point. But if they only wanted a patsy so sign off on the operation why didn't they get an inexperienced officer who would do as they're told.
She was chosen for her years of experience all of which makes it harder to go along with their methods. Agree about the poor image of the soldiers too.
Sicario 2 is in the works, no Emily Blunt because her story is done. 2 will be more about Benicio del Toro's character. http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1589950/why-emily-...
Fine with me, I liked him in it.
Fine with me, I liked him in it.
Very sad to hear that Johann Johannsson has died; he composed the score for Sicario (amongst others) and was only 48! I really, really liked the score for Sicario and Arrival; pretty gutting that he's gone.
parabolica said:
Very sad to hear that Johann Johannsson has died; he composed the score for Sicario (amongst others) and was only 48! I really, really liked the score for Sicario and Arrival; pretty gutting that he's gone.
I just saw this - very sad. I really liked the soundtrack to Arrival. RIP.
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