Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

[NJK44]

[Halb]

Flip Martian said:

Once it was revealed that Bernard was a host, I assumed that was in his head and we were just seeing a replayed memory or something. Can't take anything we see at face value, I think!

I considered that. Real interaction makes them more alive/human, however you wanna phrase it.
We know that Specs blocks out stuff that will reveal he's artificial, but not sure we're onto creating stuff yet.
Not sure how the brains/memories work.

[Flip Martian]

Halb said:

I considered that. Real interaction makes them more alive/human, however you wanna phrase it.
We know that Specs blocks out stuff that will reveal he's artificial, but not sure we're onto creating stuff yet.
Not sure how the brains/memories work.

They're implanted - hence him remembering reading to his son who then died next to him - just an implanted memory. The phone thing may have been the same - just replaying a memory (but not presented as such, by him waking up in bed, or something).

Might be totally wrong of course lol

[Janluke]

A few things clearer, I may need to watch it again.

[rsbmw]

Good episode, confirmed everything that was already being thought, Dolores reveal (or had someone already guessed that, I haven't followed the thread), and did it also reveal that Theresa was a host, or was that simply an bernarnold flashback thing.

[croyde]

Now all of a sudden the hosts are mechanical wtf

Thought they were biological unlike the original film.

[FourWheelDrift]

croyde said:

Now all of a sudden the hosts are mechanical wtf

Thought they were biological unlike the original film.

Delores will be as she is an original, the oldest in the park.

[Oakey]

Man in Black said:

"You used to be beautiful. When this place started, I opened one of you up once. A million little perfect pieces. And then they changed you ... made you this sad, real mess. Flesh and bone, just like us."

[poing]

I'm no less confused. My head hurts.

[Janluke]

Willy and MIB same knife same shirt? no doubt there is there?

[MWM3]

croyde said:

Now all of a sudden the hosts are mechanical wtf

Thought they were biological unlike the original film.

Cough... two timelines.. cough.

[ICallCustard]

ICallCustard said:

Watchman said:

ICallCustard said:

Is this possible or too obvious

bernard's name is an anagram of Arnold

Except it isn't.

Turns out it was

So you can't make Arnold out of Bernard Lowe ? Sure about that?

[FourWheelDrift]

Did you not notice the photo of William's fiancé that Logan gave him when he was tied up? It was the photo of a woman in Times Square, the one that Delores's original dad dug up and that sent him mad in episode 1.

[rsbmw]

I missed that, thanks. Presumably then MiB dropped it in ep 1 (I can't remember that far back)

[Halb]

FourWheelDrift said:

Did you not notice the photo of William's fiancé that Logan gave him when he was tied up? It was the photo of a woman in Times Square, the one that Delores's original dad dug up and that sent him mad in episode 1.

I considered it, but wasn't sure.


WHat an ep!!!!

[Steve vRS]

I love it but still haven't got a clue what is going on.

[Patrick Bateman]

MWM3 said:

croyde said:

Now all of a sudden the hosts are mechanical wtf

Thought they were biological unlike the original film.

Cough... two timelines.. cough.

Bingo. Well, maybe three if you count the scenes with Arnold.

[NJK44]

croyde said:

Now all of a sudden the hosts are mechanical wtf

Thought they were biological unlike the original film.

Someone's not paying attention..

This confirms multiple timelines. William and Logan are around during the beginning when they're mechanical.

Whereas the MiB is around in the present, with updated hosts.

[Halb]

Yeah, I think deffo three, Dolores in two different outfits, and one of them she has her insides all outside.


SO Teddy has the reveal that he did a lil bit of massacring. ANd DOlores killed Arnold...which was before the big massacre that almost ended the park?

So Arnold wanted life to thrive, but Ford wanted to control it and has actively been thwarting sentience for decades.

And the cave thing has never been more strong for me than in this ep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Plato said:

And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened: --Behold! human beings living in a underground cave, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the cave; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.
...
And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision, -what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, -will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?

http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html

[NJK44]

Pretty sure Dolores is Wyatt. Her flashback to massacring is exactly the same as teddys.