Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

[Oakey]

Flip Martian said:

Much is being made of the "Dolores is probably Wyatt" theory but Wyatt was planted in Teddy by Ford as his back story, to give him extra depth as part of the "new narrative". SO how the hell could Dolores be Wyatt?! As for Dolores killing Arnold, no doubt that will come in the 90 minute closing episode. At least I hope it does.

I'm actually really interested in seeing how they end this season AND still set it up for season 2, without a cliffhanger.

Because Teddy's backstory and the 'Wyatt' character is based on Dolores actions 30+ years previously, Ford tells you;

[Flip Martian]

Aha, of course - the rooted in truth thing. Thanks both, forgotten that bit. God, you need to keep them all on the PVR or memorise everything to make sense of it all! lol

[Halb]

Flip Martian said:

Aha, of course - the rooted in truth thing. Thanks both, forgotten that bit. God, you need to keep them all on the PVR or memorise everything to make sense of it all! lol

I think, that when one watches it in a bulk sitting, it'll be pretty bloody marvellous and one will get a smug satisfaction of spotting much stuff.
Like Breaking Bad.

[walm]

Halb said:

I think, that when one watches it in a bulk sitting, it'll be pretty bloody marvellous and one will get a smug satisfaction of spotting much stuff.
Like Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bad actually has characters I care about though (yes, even Skylar).

Here:
Hosts - who cares?
Delores staff - pretty much all douches/dead.
Guests - pretty much all douches.

Ford - psychopath.

I guess I cared a little about Delores and Maeve but they both appear to be pychos too!

Has ANYONE proven not to be a homicidal maniac at heart?
Perhaps Bernard.

[Halb]

I am starting to feel for Dolores and William.

In BB, the only character I liked, was the lawyer, the others were not likeable, that may change on my second viewing. I bulk watched it, having missed it first time round.

[Janluke]

walm said:

Breaking Bad actually has characters I care about though (yes, even Skylar).

Here:
Hosts - who cares?
Delores staff - pretty much all douches/dead.
Guests - pretty much all douches.

Ford - psychopath.

I guess I cared a little about Delores and Maeve but they both appear to be pychos too!

Has ANYONE proven not to be a homicidal maniac at heart?
Perhaps Bernard.

I agree with you but I think we're supposed to feel for the hosts, they are the downtrodden, the slaves, the underclass etc etc. In some ways its a classic tale that's been told for centuries. Like you I struggle to feel for any of the hosts and there's a question mark over most of the staff as they could be hosts.

One of the great things about BB is we see Walt change slowly over the story line and our feelings for him change at the same pace. In Westworld we appear to see the characters at the start, middle, end of the plot all in the same episode and with very little signposting. Its an interesting way of telling the story but frustrating at points as well. Its one of those stories that I think I'll enjoy more once the whole thing has finished and I rewatch it knowing how it ends. I get the feeling I'm missing loads. However I'm still in ;-)

[gregs656]

Janluke said:

One of the great things about BB is we see Walt change slowly over the story line and our feelings for him change at the same pace. In Westworld we appear to see the characters at the start, middle, end of the plot all in the same episode and with very little signposting. Its an interesting way of telling the story but frustrating at points as well. Its one of those stories that I think I'll enjoy more once the whole thing has finished and I rewatch it knowing how it ends. I get the feeling I'm missing loads. However I'm still in ;-)

Highly recommend The Sopranos and The Wire if you like the BB kind of story telling. The Sopranos remains the best thing made for television in my opinion.

I enjoyed this weeks Westworld and I'm interested to see how they round it off, particularly how they set up the story going forward.

[Lucas Ayde]

Janluke said:

I'm reading it as

William/MIB present at the original incident which gives his company an in to buy out the park and become a director

William/MIB see spark of humanity in Delores and Maive when under trauma

His wife dies and he wants to recreate her, believes the secret is somewhere in the park. We know its possible as we've seen Bernard but Ford has hidden this from everyone

No idea what Ford is up to

Yeah, I think that the goal of Delos/MiB is to create hosts capable of carrying human consciousness, essentially to offer eternal life to the rich.

From what I can see, Ford just has a God complex and wants to be the master of his own private universe through creating the hosts and Westworld generally. Obviously that takes a lot of cash so charging rich people astronomical amounts to visit the park funds that.

Arnold I think, really wanted to create new life in the form of the hosts and get them to attain full sentience. I think that his original code (which we know is still present in trace form in all the hosts, especially the older ones) will eventually succeed and cause an android revolution in the park.

[walm]

OK here we go...
- We have only seen young Ford a couple of times. Always with BernArnold around - possibly just Arnold (pre-Bernard).
- Old Ford can communicate with Hosts at vast distances (e.g. the fieldworkers when he is entertaining Theresa at the ranch).
- Old Ford likes hanging out with dusty old hosts.
- Arnold killed the young Ford...
- ...missed having him around so build a new one. Who is sentient.
- (Then Arnold got killed by sentient Dolores.)
- Sentient buy Host Ford knows he needs to keep aging so is making new OLDER versions of himself in the basement.
- And just transfers his memories and consciousness into the new version every few years.

[Piersman2]

walm said:

OK here we go...
- We have only seen young Ford a couple of times. Always with BernArnold around - possibly just Arnold (pre-Bernard).
- Old Ford can communicate with Hosts at vast distances (e.g. the fieldworkers when he is entertaining Theresa at the ranch).
- Old Ford likes hanging out with dusty old hosts.
- Arnold killed the young Ford...
- ...missed having him around so build a new one. Who is sentient.
- (Then Arnold got killed by sentient Dolores.)
- Sentient buy Host Ford knows he needs to keep aging so is making new OLDER versions of himself in the basement.
- And just transfers his memories and consciousness into the new version every few years.

This is distinctly possibly. I wondered if Ford is the AI singularity, created by Arnold who then kils off Arnold and promotes himself to be the overiding 'brain' who runs the park. Strange that Ford has repeatedly demonstrated his ability to control everyting around himself with no apparently physical outward sign when it suits him. Only someone/something connected to the park computers could do that.

[walm]

Piersman2 said:

Only someone/something connected to the park computers could do that.

Exactly.
He didn't say anything to the waiter pouring the wine did he?

[Piersman2]

walm said:

Piersman2 said:

Only someone/something connected to the park computers could do that.

Exactly.
He didn't say anything to the waiter pouring the wine did he?

No. And he didn't even so much as blink when he entered and left that town when he had a drink with MIB.

[Oakey]

I think this theory has legs. What makes me wonder is Arnold building Ford a family as a gift. Why? Why would he do that if Ford was human? Is that something Ford specifically asked for one Xmas? I could, however, see him building an AI a family so he had a sense of belonging

[TEKNOPUG]

Question re: the last episode. If Ford had built a back door into all the hosts, as demonstrated to Bernarnold, why did he bother going through all the charade with giving him all his memories back and then having him destroy himself? Surely he could have simply re-programmed him again? Seemed like a little contrived plot vehicle.

[croyde]

Also I thought the hosts could take all shorts of gunfire damage and be fixed.

[marksx]

walm said:

Exactly.
He didn't say anything to the waiter pouring the wine did he?

He didn't say anything, but he did give a signal. He raised a finger to stop them, and lowered again when they restarted.

[walm]

marksx said:

walm said:

Exactly.
He didn't say anything to the waiter pouring the wine did he?

He didn't say anything, but he did give a signal. He raised a finger to stop them, and lowered again when they restarted.

Ah thanks.
Missed that.
Back to the drawing board then.

Logan = MiB?

[marksx]

croyde said:

Also I thought the hosts could take all shorts of gunfire damage and be fixed.

They have to be fixed. I.e someone has to do it. If no one knows as the body is so lifelike, why would they fix it? Contrived I know. Or Ford just hides the body.

[Patrick Bateman]

TEKNOPUG said:

Question re: the last episode. If Ford had built a back door into all the hosts, as demonstrated to Bernarnold, why did he bother going through all the charade with giving him all his memories back and then having him destroy himself? Surely he could have simply re-programmed him again? Seemed like a little contrived plot vehicle.

Ford actually states the reason. 'Well I suppose I was hoping that given complete self-knowledge and free will you'd have chosen to be my partner once again...'

[ali_kat]

Piersman2 said:

This is distinctly possibly. I wondered if Ford is the AI singularity, created by Arnold who then kils off Arnold and promotes himself to be the overiding 'brain' who runs the park. Strange that Ford has repeatedly demonstrated his ability to control everyting around himself with no apparently physical outward sign when it suits him. Only someone/something connected to the park computers could do that.

Delores killed Arnold

But I think that Ford is a host