Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

[FourWheelDrift]

ali_kat said:

Delores killed Arnold

But I think that Ford is a host

I think Delores is based on a real Delores who was Arnold's wife.

I also had a crazy idea that might not quite work as well (unless Delores's memories have been changed) that Ford is Arnold and Bernard/Arnold was really Ford.

[walm]

FourWheelDrift said:

I also had a crazy idea that might not quite work as well (unless Delores's memories have been changed) that Ford is Arnold and Bernard/Arnold was really Ford.

[FourWheelDrift]

Alrighty then.

[TEKNOPUG]

Patrick Bateman said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Question re: the last episode. If Ford had built a back door into all the hosts, as demonstrated to Bernarnold, why did he bother going through all the charade with giving him all his memories back and then having him destroy himself? Surely he could have simply re-programmed him again? Seemed like a little contrived plot vehicle.

Ford actually states the reason. 'Well I suppose I was hoping that given complete self-knowledge and free will you'd have chosen to be my partner once again...'

'Well I suppose I was hoping that given complete self-knowledge and free will you'd have chosen to be my partner once again...but as not I'll have to reign in the complete self-knowledge and free will....'

Rather than terminate him? As it suggests that he was a perfectly suitable partner before hand.

[Oakey]

I think it's implied they've been here a number of times before and he's resigned to the fact Bernard won't make a different choice

[TEKNOPUG]

Oakey said:

I think it's implied they've been here a number of times before and he's resigned to the fact Bernard won't make a different choice

That makes more sense.

[Halb]

Oakey said:

I think it's implied they've been here a number of times before and he's resigned to the fact Bernard won't make a different choice

That bit was very matrixy.

[gregs656]

ali_kat said:

But I think that Ford is a host

Christ I hope not, but I can see it happening. He makes an interesting human character, being a robot+ isn't half as interesting - is it?

[Flip Martian]

FourWheelDrift said:

I think Delores is based on a real Delores who was Arnold's wife.

I also had a crazy idea that might not quite work as well (unless Delores's memories have been changed) that Ford is Arnold and Bernard/Arnold was really Ford.

Ford was originally a woman called Dolores. When she became a man, she had herself made as she was a reminder of how much...she liked blue dresses and guns.

[Halb]

Flip Martian said:

Ford was originally a woman called Dolores. When she became a man, she had herself made as she was a reminder of how much...she liked blue dresses and guns.

Ford was originally a woman called Dolores who was originally a ladyboy called Wanda, which explains all the big guns that don't really hurt you...

[dxg]

Quick question as it's becoming increasingly difficult to avoid spoilers and my attention is massively piqued by this series...

If I get hold of a Now TV with a 3 month entertainment pack (a whole £15 on amazon), will that let be binge watch it over the Christmas break?

I could torrent it, but that's too much arsing around and I'm time poor these days.

Cheers in advance!

[4x4Tyke]

Wyatt has repeated been called 'he' including by MiB who knows Dolores.

The girl that stabbed Teddy pretty much gave the game away.

[4x4Tyke]

Oakey said:

I think it's implied they've been here a number of times before and he's resigned to the fact Bernard won't make a different choice

It is also a test to see if Bernard can overcome the programming and refuse to kill himself. Practice Self preservation, which would be the downfall of the park. Arnold can readily build another Bernard.

[4x4Tyke]

Lucas Ayde said:

Yeah, I think that the goal of Delos/MiB is to create hosts capable of carrying human consciousness, essentially to offer eternal life to the rich.

I don't think they share a goal, MiB told Charlotte he didn't care about her corporate objectives. Delos want to secure and exploit the technology in new areas, probably as spys or military. MiB I'm less sure about but pretty sure it doesn't align with Charlotte.

Lucas Ayde said:

From what I can see, Ford just has a God complex and wants to be the master of his own private universe through creating the hosts and Westworld generally. Obviously that takes a lot of cash so charging rich people astronomical amounts to visit the park funds that.

Ford is playing Civilisation, MiB is playing CoD.

[4x4Tyke]

Anybody figured out who is the third man in the Arnold/Ford photo?

[Halb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEsWi88Qv0

[Flip Martian]

Doubt its the last we've seen of Bernard. The actor playing him tweeted something like "yeah let's make more magic!" or words to that effect when the renewal for season 2 was announced.

[marksx]

In an earlier episode (8?), Bernard, and Theresa go through the cottage to the underground basement where they meet Ford, etc.

In ep 9, Dolores goes through the church to seemingly the same underground basement to talk to Bernarnold.

The church is buried in sand, in the middle of a desert, and we have seen the cottage in the present day, in the woods.

Am I missing something? How do they lead to the same place?

[Bullett]

Everyone is a host.
The whole world has gone to st, the only survivors are hosts and Ford.
He has created human hosts so that the park hosts have someone to practice with.
Tits MaGee (Maeve?) escapes to find the world outside is in ruins, she returns in season two as a guest.

[JagLover]

dxg said:

Quick question as it's becoming increasingly difficult to avoid spoilers and my attention is massively piqued by this series...

If I get hold of a Now TV with a 3 month entertainment pack (a whole £15 on amazon), will that let be binge watch it over the Christmas break?

I could torrent it, but that's too much arsing around and I'm time poor these days.

Cheers in advance!

Yes

All episodes are on Now TV to 5 January I think.

I am planning to have a rewatch over Christmas.