Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

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Corso Marche

1,722 posts

201 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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Mars said:
There was something else I thought...



I don't like the way they killed off William. He was the last continuity to the near beginning of the story. They killed off Ford, Arnold, and even Dolores last series - and I'm still not sure how any of Dolores has survived because, despite what I previously wrote, Rehoboam killed her, and even if he absorbed all that she way, Maeve killed Rehoboam so where was he backed-up to?

Anyway, "copies" of characters aren't the same in terms of continuity. Those characters are lost to the story and it bugs me.

However, I do wonder whether Dolores will bring back William-OG in her virtual reality next series... as in Jimmi Simpson.

Also, Teddy killed himself so how did he end up in the sublime?

Dolores must've taken a copy of Teddy's code at some point, and simply placed Teddy v.xxxxx with her chosen mods in her simulation.

All copies, created from various backups, as you mentioned earlier.

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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Corso Marche said:
Rufus Stone said:
Can anyone enlighten me as to what the point of all that was?
That's a little how I felt. S04 is the closest to S01 for enjoyment, but despite most of S04 being good that final few moments where it's confirmed that Dolores is going to just run one more loop and let the outcome decide itself doesn't quite fully satisfy.

I'll watch S05 when it comes around, but I hope there's more to it than humans vs hosts in Westworld gunfights.
Ditto. The last 5 minutes had me thinking "so why have I just sat through all this...".

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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Watched an analysis on YT which suggests EVERYONE will come back in S5, as Dolores has all their data, so can just recreate them all and they will exist in her simulation. And that she might just re-run everything in S1 to see if she can affect the outcome. Which could in theory therefore mean the reappearance of anyone in S1 coming back.

Their other theory was was that all 4 seasons were just a probability test run by Dolores, much like Bernard was doing running through scenarios in the Sublime. Not sure that would be a popular reveal though; 4 seasons of the equivalent of "it was all a dream".

Don Veloci

1,924 posts

281 months

Friday 19th August 2022
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Okay, get the crayons out for me being dim.......

I'd interpreted that Hale's sand box was the warped real world. Delores revealed to be part of the controls of this world.
The dam location where the servers are are part of said real world. But it can't be real world if it partly "unzips" to reveal something behind.

It seems nothing is real, everything virtual(With lairs upon lairs)? There are no real people/world left, never has been. Just a big mental loop sim?

pquinn

7,167 posts

46 months

Friday 19th August 2022
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Don Veloci said:
It seems nothing is real, everything virtual(With lairs upon lairs)? There are no real people/world left, never has been. Just a big mental loop sim?
People like to knock off the 'clever' trope of a revealing everything is a nested simulation, so seeing that again wouldn't ever come as a surprise once virtual worlds are in the mix. When The Thirteen Floor did it it was OK, or Virtual Nightmare, but it's a bit stale now.

And certainly a 'it was all a dream' reveal of what went before would be a kick in the balls.

Soir

2,269 posts

239 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Anyone have trouble downloading these on sky?

Watched pre recordings of S4 episodes 1 to 4 on sky Atlantic but nothing after that and it’s not listed in sky at all now (search option only brings up the original movie)

gareth_r

5,728 posts

237 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Sky often removes the latest series or all series of a programme about a month after the latest series was broadcast. Depends on the terms of the licence, I assume. It will probably be back at some point.

Edited by gareth_r on Saturday 17th September 21:48

vxr8mate

1,655 posts

189 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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Just finished S4.

A mix of The Matrix, Terminator and Fortnight!

What was with the 'You don't have any bullets do you' to now you have beaten up my Father I have one bullet!?

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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I am in two minds whether to buy this on Amazon Prime Video. I loved the first season, even bought the 4k box set. But Season 2 and 3 were a complete mess. Is season 4 more of the same?

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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4 is better than 2 and 3. Does it match up to 1? No. Not sure anything does. I thought 4 was good but the last episode seemed to let it all down again. To me.

Mars

8,711 posts

214 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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Flip Martian said:
4 is better than 2 and 3. Does it match up to 1? No. Not sure anything does. I thought 4 was good but the last episode seemed to let it all down again. To me.
100% agree

JonChalk

6,469 posts

110 months

Friday 30th September 2022
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Mars said:
Flip Martian said:
4 is better than 2 and 3. Does it match up to 1? No. Not sure anything does. I thought 4 was good but the last episode seemed to let it all down again. To me.
100% agree
1 > 2 > 4 > 3 for me, but I think we can all agree that 3 is bottom of the pile.

DodgyGeezer

40,453 posts

190 months

Saturday 8th October 2022
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oh well - I'm finally watching the last few epis - I have to say it's more because I want to see what's going to happen rather than it being 'unmissable TV'. It's virtually as if the creators are trying to show how clever they are rather than concentrating on making something that is interesting, entertaining as well as glossy...

Scabutz

7,609 posts

80 months

Saturday 8th October 2022
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Decided to get round to watching this, and Sky have removed then all.

Guess I'll have to wait.

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Saturday 8th October 2022
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DodgyGeezer said:
oh well - I'm finally watching the last few epis - I have to say it's more because I want to see what's going to happen rather than it being 'unmissable TV'. It's virtually as if the creators are trying to show how clever they are rather than concentrating on making something that is interesting, entertaining as well as glossy...
Pretty much what I said about season 2 and 3.

kalexan273

145 posts

115 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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Just announced by HBO, not being renewed for season 5.

Flumpo

3,743 posts

73 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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kalexan273 said:
Just announced by HBO, not being renewed for season 5.
I think based on the viewing figures of the last series, that was inevitable.

Liked s1, s2 was disappointing, gave up on s3 when the computer thing was in charge. Watched 5 mins of s4 and turned off.

I see there is a new series on Amazon being touted as from the producers/similar of west world.

That’s put me off more than encouraged me to watch it.

Those who were still watching at the end of s4 seemed to really enjoy it. Unfortunately there wasn’t very many of them.

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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Flumpo said:
I think based on the viewing figures of the last series, that was inevitable.

Liked s1, s2 was disappointing, gave up on s3 when the computer thing was in charge. Watched 5 mins of s4 and turned off.

I see there is a new series on Amazon being touted as from the producers/similar of west world.

That’s put me off more than encouraged me to watch it.

Those who were still watching at the end of s4 seemed to really enjoy it. Unfortunately there wasn’t very many of them.
Most of S4 was better than all of S3 (while not being a patch on S1) - although the last few minutes of S4 was poor. Can't say I'm sorry it's not coming back. Or surprised. I've got S1 on bluray - never bought the others. In hindsight, I think over time I can just forget the other seasons existed and treat S1 as a standalone piece of brilliance.

Mars

8,711 posts

214 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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I'm really disappointed. I had hoped S5 might bring a stroke of genius to the table and round it all out properly.

But not all that surprised. Once they moved so far from S1 and Westworld itself, the show really lost its charm.

Flip Martian

19,680 posts

190 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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Mars said:
I'm really disappointed. I had hoped S5 might bring a stroke of genius to the table and round it all out properly.

But not all that surprised. Once they moved so far from S1 and Westworld itself, the show really lost its charm.
Agreed that it did - but the creators probably realised how stuck they might be if they kept to the one location. Although I think they could have made a better S2 "onsite" as it were and finished it with an escape into the wider world (without actually going there), leaving it to viewers' imagination.

And I lost track of how many Dolores's there were - that whole "kill them off/ingenious way to resurrect them" plot device ruins everything it touches. They should never have used it.